Correct, that one also has not only a service dial but also all service hands

 

Thanks, you know your stuff! How do you identify service hands?

The seller won't tell me the full number but has revealed that the next digit is a 4 so my money would be on the last 2 being 6 and zero...

 

Service sub-dials hands are pointy, like the ones in the watch you posted, whereas original ones have a flat tip (and they normally are thinner in MKI and early MKII and a little bit thicker in later MKII and MKIII). Also, you can tall all the hands in the watch you posted are way too white and new for being 40y old. The service hour and minute hand instead are pretty much identical in shape to the original ones for MKII and MKIII (MKI hour and minute hands are slightly different) but filled with luminova instead of tritium and you can tell by the fact that luminova is pretty much white, very uniform and almost shiny/glossy, tritium would have aged to some shade of yellow or light brown or brown or greyish color and the surface would not be so uniform

 

Thnx for confirming @LouS

These fakers too enticing ...

 

What a „Beauty“
and the inside caseback engravings ..,

 

Hello,
I would like to have your opinion about this watch that I'm on my way to buy, I've read all your messages, I understand perfectly the story of the service dial, but not really well the one about the caseback, if you can help me to understand if this watch is original or a fake one ? Or just a service dial and a service caseback ?

Thanks for your help )

 

I'm confused. The watch looks re-listed now. Are you buying it or are you the seller?

 

That watch makes me sad

 

Hello )

No I saw it today in a shop, but I'm confused about these numbers on the caseback. So I made some googling and found this thread.
Ok dial has been replaced, hands too, movement I'm unable to know and caseback I just don't understand. I'm looking for this watch for a long time, I don't have problem with service dial but I don't want a kind of Frankenstein...

 

It is not a frankenwatch, it is a forgery. The case back did not leave any factory in this format.

The only value in this watch is in the bracelet and a parts donor movement.

 

Insane... it's a profesionnal who sell it for 9 900€... It's listed on Chrono24. I was really on the way to buy it...
So it's a fake one with original bracelet and some parts of the movements which are okay. I don't understand the interest they have to do this kind of watch half fake/half ok. By the way... I will continue to look for an other one. Thanks for your help, really, so helpful.

Edit : Perhaps even dial is not original ? Not possible to consider it as service dial ? Because Insaw many of them on google.

 

956D460 on Chrono24:
https://www.chrono24.com/zenith/el-primero-chronograph--id7516763.htm

 

Full service watch, dial, hands, flange, crown serial number reprint....
Open eyes guys

GIGI

 

Open eyes a little more...same SN pattern as other fakes.