Little confusion on my new Pie Pan crosshair

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And this black one you can barely see it’s a pie pan at all...

I have to say that this particular one strikes med as possibly being a redial - what reference is it?


Very nice watches, congrats! Reminds me of this watch I am thinking of to buy. What do you think and what would be a fair price? Thank you!

It seems to be a redial, so hard to say...
 
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Very nice watches, congrats! Reminds me of this watch I am thinking of to buy. What do you think and what would be a fair price? Thank you!

You should really start a new thread for this watch

dial has all text missing.
Case is quite polished.
Replacement crown
movt is very ropey and too late for the reference.
 
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You should really start a new thread for this watch

dial has all text missing.
Case is quite polished.
Replacement crown
movt is very ropey and too late for the reference.
OK, I start a new post
 
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Someone needs to send @Dan S a few of these watches for him to examine in-hand, and then he can report back to us.

Fascinating discussion, to me at least.
 
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I think we need Desmond to adjudicate here, ‘cos now I’m getting confused, and i have been studying these for 11 years or more

certainly, from OAJTT, Omega themselves called these dials 12-sided sun Silvered brushed Dials for the .004 references. omega never used the term “pie pan”


but.....the dial shown has a distinct ledge Or step ( there was another thread recently here that discussed these step Dials)

In one of Desmonds essays, https://download1337.mediafire.com/351zrhmiba9g/ojf488dzh034yzk/Condialdefinitive+part+1V2.pdf

Desmond called a very similar dial, again in a .004, a convex dial

Could it be that there IS a real distinction between what we have been calling “pie-pan” dials ( noting that Omega never used this term) ie

- a true 12-sided “pie pan” does need a step or ledge

- these other “pseudo” 12-sided dials, without a true ledge or step, maybe are not truly “pie pans“ after all, and should really be called convex dials?

another thought is that Omega changed the design sometime during the .004s lifetime, or simply changed supplier ?



 
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Doh, it would have helped if i had given a better photo from Desmonds essay

 
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Doh, it would have helped if i had given a better photo from Desmonds essay

Hey Sherbie, thanks a lot for this valuable information, I really appreciate it and am learning from post to post 👍
 
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I would say OP's watch is a pie pan because of the 12 sided shape. For example, here is a 168.004 and a 14395. First one in my book is a pie pan. Second one is domed. For me the definition of a pie pan is 12 sided. If it's not 12 sided it's a domed dial. But indeed, not all pie pans have the same shape. I could understand if somebody wiuld call the 168.004 domed.
 
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I would say OP's watch is a pie pan because of the 12 sided shape. For example, here is a 168.004 and a 14395. First one in my book is a pie pan. Second one is domed. For me the definition of a pie pan is 12 sided. If it's not 12 sided it's a domed dial. But indeed, not all pie pans have the same shape. I could understand if somebody wiuld call the 168.004 domed.
Is the second one authentic? Never seen this kind of dial before...
 
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Is the second one authentic? Never seen this kind of dial before...
That's because there are only five 14395's known... 😁 Yes. It’s authentic.
 
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That's because there are only five 14395's known... 😁 Yes. It’s authentic.
😀😀😀👍
 
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I would say OP's watch is a pie pan because of the 12 sided shape.

Yes i agree. Since there really is no official "piepan" terminology by Omega we can assume it's a nickname given by enthusiasts for the 12 sided style dial. The stepped variant is merely more pronounced.
 
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I would say OP's watch is a pie pan because of the 12 sided shape. For example, here is a 168.004 and a 14395. First one in my book is a pie pan. Second one is domed. For me the definition of a pie pan is 12 sided. If it's not 12 sided it's a domed dial. But indeed, not all pie pans have the same shape. I could understand if somebody wiuld call the 168.004 domed.

The question we are debating is whether that first dial (the dial itself, not the paint) is truly 12-sided, or whether that is just how it looks from the way it is painted. In other words, if the paint were removed, would it still have a distinct 12 sided shape? I think it may be an optical illusion, or Trompe L'oeil as @ConElPueblo put it, instead of an actual faceted dial blank.
 
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The question we are debating is whether that first dial (the dial itself, not the paint) is truly 12-sided

Oh I think by the 12 sided circular layout of the minute hash marks that it is a true 12 sided dial.
 
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or whether that is just how it looks from the way it is painted.
This. I really think there's no difference in dial shape between the 168.004 and the 14395.
 
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Oh I think by the 12 sided circular layout of the minute hash marks that it is a true 12 sided dial.
Haha. I had the opposite. Do you think my two watches have difference dial shape? Or is it the way the paint was applied? I would say the latter.
 
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Haha. I had the opposite. Do you think my two watches have difference dial shape? Or is it the way the paint was applied? I would say the latter.

I'm talking about the OP's watch. That is a pie pan in most anyone's book.
 
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I'm talking about the OP's watch. That is a pie pan in most anyone's book.

I think that the OP's watch is a 168.004, exactly like @Shabbaz's. The paint is 12-sided, not the dial.