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Little confusion on my new Pie Pan crosshair
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Shabbaz
·These are clearly different Dials, to me
in your first photo, the line between the dial markers is a straight line
in your second photo ( with calendar on the dial), the line between dial markers is clearly a continuous circle
Maybe we should get the dials out of the case and compare...😁
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ConElPueblo
·certainly, from OAJTT, Omega themselves called these dials 12-sided sun Silvered brushed Dials for the .004 references. omega never used the term “pie pan”
but.....the dial shown has a distinct ledge Or step ( there was another thread recently here that discussed these step Dials)
In one of Desmonds essays, https://download1337.mediafire.com/351zrhmiba9g/ojf488dzh034yzk/Condialdefinitive part 1V2.pdf
Desmond called a very similar dial, again in a .004, a convex dial
Could it be that there IS a real distinction between what we have been calling “pie-pan” dials ( noting that Omega never used this term) ie
- a true 12-sided “pie pan” does need a step or ledge
- these other “pseudo” 12-sided dials, without a true ledge or step, maybe are not truly “pie pans“ after all, and should really be called convex dials?
another thought is that Omega changed the design sometime during the .004s lifetime, or simply changed supplier ?
OJTT might not be the best reference for this. The .004 shown in OJTT with twelve-sided dial is of the later, less common variety that shares dial design with the 168.010 which has a clear, physical step on the dial.
On their webpage, Omega themselves refer to dome dial Constellations as being of the "pie pan" variety, though that could be the same issue we have when they state that certain references are (always) in gold cap, leading to new members coming here and saying that "my watch cannot be a ref. x as it is in steel, not gold cap" or similar. In Rolex terminology for instance, a pie-pan is what we typically would call a dome dial on an Omega.
AFAIK, the Omega "pie pan" terminology is something the enthusiast community has made up and to me it signifies that there are (twelve) straight lines between the hour indices and a step, small or significant. It had never crossed my mind that Omega could have made a (by my definition) faux pie-pan dial until now and I am uncertain whether or not I will allow myself to call it a pie-pan dial should I confirm that it indeed hasn't got a physical step. I am a bit of a stickler to terminology, so leaning towards "not" 😁
I'd much rather name the (possible) faux pie-pan on a .004 a dome dial or faux-pan or whatever than label all the dome dials "pie-pan".
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Gav1967
·I'd much rather name the (possible) faux pie-pan on a .004 a dome dial or faux-pan or whatever than label all the dome dials "pie-pan".
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janice&fred
·what about Lie Pan?
"Try Pan"?
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hoipolloi
·I think it is unfair to say this is not a pie pan.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!Jumping in here after Dan got all heretical over on another thread 😉
I firmly believe 12 sides means pp and a kink, even if it is faint on some references.
One thing I will add. If there were indeed a 12 sided faux pp variant where there is no discernible kink and just a paint edge, like some of the Seamaster and Geneve watches with a circular ring, assuming the dial isn't completely flat, a thought experiment suggests that at certain angles, the straight paint line won't look straight. This is a consequence of it being painted across a curved surface. If the line looks straight from every angle it can't possibly be painted on a curved surface (ie a dome dial). This is a basic law of physics. if the line remains straight, and in the pics I have seen they always do, either this means that some dials with faux pp are completely flat, or they all have a kink. QED.
I firmly believe 12 sides means pp and a kink, even if it is faint on some references.
One thing I will add. If there were indeed a 12 sided faux pp variant where there is no discernible kink and just a paint edge, like some of the Seamaster and Geneve watches with a circular ring, assuming the dial isn't completely flat, a thought experiment suggests that at certain angles, the straight paint line won't look straight. This is a consequence of it being painted across a curved surface. If the line looks straight from every angle it can't possibly be painted on a curved surface (ie a dome dial). This is a basic law of physics. if the line remains straight, and in the pics I have seen they always do, either this means that some dials with faux pp are completely flat, or they all have a kink. QED.
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Dan S
·Jumping in here after Dan got all heretical over on another thread 😉
I firmly believe 12 sides means pp and a kink, even if it is faint on some references.
One thing I will add. If there were indeed a 12 sided faux pp variant where there is no discernible kink and just a paint edge, like some of the Seamaster and Geneve watches with a circular ring, assuming the dial isn't completely flat, a thought experiment suggests that at certain angles, the straight paint line won't look straight. This is a consequence of it being painted across a curved surface. If the line looks straight from every angle it can't possibly be painted on a curved surface (ie a dome dial). This is a basic law of physics. if the line remains straight, and in the pics I have seen they always do, either this means that some dials with faux pp are completely flat, or they all have a kink. QED.
Interesting point, and I would say that in the dial in two posts above yours, some of the lines look straight when viewed from above, but curved when viewed from an angle, e.g. the lies between 7 and 8 o'clock, and also between 8 and 9. I downloaded the photo and drew a straight line next to those painted edges, and you can see a subtle curve. It is subtle because the lines appear to be painted on a part of the dial that is relatively flat, and you would need a photo taken at a really low angle to see a significant curve.
Edit: I think this is going to be a difficult way to figure it out, since the paint lines are really not perfect under high magnification. I'm enjoying this discussion BTW. It's clear that we are in danger of learning something, one way or the other. 😀
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Sherbie
·Can we settle this once and for all by asking Desmond to adjudicate?
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nicks
·I hope you don't mind if I weigh in on this again.
I have always believed that "pie pan" referred to the shape of a dial. Not the paint, not the markers, just the shape.
That's simply because a pie pan (the kind used for making, well, pies) has a distinctive shape, with an angle.
There is nothing particularly wrong about using paint to help a domed dial look like it has an angle; in fact some of these dials are obviously very attractive.
But if it isn't shaped like a pie pan (the baking kind) IMHO it ain't.
I have always believed that "pie pan" referred to the shape of a dial. Not the paint, not the markers, just the shape.
That's simply because a pie pan (the kind used for making, well, pies) has a distinctive shape, with an angle.
There is nothing particularly wrong about using paint to help a domed dial look like it has an angle; in fact some of these dials are obviously very attractive.
But if it isn't shaped like a pie pan (the baking kind) IMHO it ain't.
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