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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorA nice movement is crucial.
A 1968 Dodge Charger ...
... is just wrong with slant 6-cylinder engine.
gatorcpa
How important is a great movement in a watch to you?
gatorcpa
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Maybe
·For some models its crucial, isn't it? Thinking about early Longines chronographs and Zenith chronometres for example. Reputation and reliability blends very well in these cases.
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Edwinowl
·Having worked and got into servicing the quality surpasses all and is why I'm looking for example to buy an el primero.
They aren't seen in display caseback a but I suppose it's the 'I know what's under the hood' mentality and why we buy for example bmw's or audi's if we can stretch that far. Well that's my 2 cents worth
They aren't seen in display caseback a but I suppose it's the 'I know what's under the hood' mentality and why we buy for example bmw's or audi's if we can stretch that far. Well that's my 2 cents worth
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pippy
·Omega cal. 333RG that I bought because of the movement.😀
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Rumar89
·I decided to focus on collecting Longines because of the superb movements, and although they can be very pleasing to look at most that I've seen aren't decorated in any meaningful way.
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WatchVaultNYC
·One of my friends was waxing poetic on the internal condition of one of his guns, noting the fine finishing where no one typically sees it.
So it got me thinking: is a beautifully executed movement of any importance to you, as you typically don't get to enjoy it...or is a great case design and reliability satisfactory enough?
Folks rave about the 30T2rg, the Vacheron 1072, the Patek 12-600, just to name a few. Personally, it just gives me that extra kick knowing the watch has all those nice chamfers, finishing, waves, etc., like further confirmation that someone's hand was involved in producing something of beauty. What say you, oh astute horological brethren?
I don't have that broad an experience with movements, but what I do appreciate is the tactile experience - the act of winding, setting, etc and how that feels in your hands. I specifically like the IWC Caliber 89, VC Caliber K453 and to a lesser extent Rolex Caliber 1570 - you can sense the "honest" uncomplicated movements underneath during operation, and the loud ticking in a quiet room is very satisfying.
The Vacheron 1072 I also really like because of (my subjective) feel of precision underneath, like a razor sharp knife. My NY watchmaker was complaining all day about how hard it was to service.
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jumpingsecond
·I try to focus on watches with movements that are robust, durable, accurate, and built to last. The other value I attempt to analyze is the movement's historical impact and significance as those seem to gain in collectabilty over time from what I can tell.
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Taddyangle
·Not sure what constitutes a great movement. All the watches I have owned have been quite accurate (I very good about getting my watches serviced).
I very much enjoyed my blue dial Blancpain FF. Outside of the looks, the power reserve was incredible. 5+ days on that one. Note I regret selling it, have already asked to buy it back.
Outside of that, all the movements seem the same to me. I honestly don't notice a difference between my Seiko, Vintage JLCs, or vintage or modern Omega watches.
In fact my x-33 I find to have the most convenient movement. I don't like it near as much as my other speedmaster watches, but dang, it's nice to grab and go. So I make sacrifices. 😀
I very much enjoyed my blue dial Blancpain FF. Outside of the looks, the power reserve was incredible. 5+ days on that one. Note I regret selling it, have already asked to buy it back.
Outside of that, all the movements seem the same to me. I honestly don't notice a difference between my Seiko, Vintage JLCs, or vintage or modern Omega watches.
In fact my x-33 I find to have the most convenient movement. I don't like it near as much as my other speedmaster watches, but dang, it's nice to grab and go. So I make sacrifices. 😀
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argonbeam
·I decided to focus on collecting Longines because of the superb movements, and although they can be very pleasing to look at most that I've seen aren't decorated in any meaningful way.
Movements got me into Longines as well. Some movements more decorated than others, and decoration became less critical as management came to understand the average consumer cared more about the case and dial appearance than the movement's finish. Still nice perlage on most mainstream movements such as this 19as that's on a relatively common Grand Prize. I always feel good knowing I have 30L on my wrist, even if it looks a little plain.
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Rumar89
·Movements got me into Longines as well. Some movements more decorated than others, and decoration became less critical as management came to understand the average consumer cared more about the case and dial appearance than the movement's finish. Still nice perlage on most mainstream movements such as this 19as that's on a relatively common Grand Prize. I always feel good knowing I have 30L on my wrist, even if it looks a little plain.
Lovely example @argonbeam! I think it was @TonyC's exceptional write up of the 14.68z where it's mentioned that sometimes Longines would perlage locations that wouldn't be seen except on disassembly of the movement.
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argonbeam
·Lovely example @argonbeam! I think it was @TonyC's exceptional write up of the 14.68z where it's mentioned that sometimes Longines would perlage locations that wouldn't be seen except on disassembly of the movement.
Agreed. Learned tons from him and @ulackfocus before I really started collecting. The Patrick Linder book is all about the movements and is a great resource. My watchmaker says they're nice to work on as well.
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Rumar89
·Agreed. Learned tons from him and @ulackfocus before I really started collecting. The Patrick Linder book is all about the movements and is a great resource. My watchmaker says they're nice to work on as well.
Uh oh, just anothing thing to hunt for! That book looks awesome @argonbeam.
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Screwbacks
·movement is the heart and soul of the watch.
people time and after time dont view calibers as important covered piece of a watch because they dont see it normally from their naked eyes.
people time and after time dont view calibers as important covered piece of a watch because they dont see it normally from their naked eyes.
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Apollo13
·I don't think I would buy unless the movement was great (from my perspective) either technically or aethetically. Most modern Rolex movements aren't very aesthetically pleasing to me but technically they're brill so I buy. Personally the same goes for the 1861 movement too! I have been eyeing the Lange Datograph for quite some time. I think it is hands down the most beautiful movement in the world of modern Watch collecting period. Movements as well as the dials are works of art... you only need to see their finishing techniques. But who can argue with the robustness of the 321 lemania based movement. The movement is what draws me to pre-1969 speedies with the 321 movement as opposed to the later 861 movement not only because of rarity but when you remove the caseback, I find the 321 movement more pleasing. It looks fuller and complex, it's really pretty. The 861 is a great movement just not quite as mesmerising as the 321.
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Barking mad
··Prolific Speedmaster HoarderHard to ignore the movement on this one😁
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Nobel Prize
·One of the things they attract me to watches is the fact that a set of springs and wheels can be engineered to keep time consistently for years...it just amazes me. For that alone I am amazed by a simple ETA movement.
I do like knowing whats inside and hearing it tick. Would I wear an ugly watch because it has a great movement? Not really, I have to like it all. Would I wear a quartz watch that I like or is practical or significant to me as a present etc? Yes, although I don't really see it as a watch anymore In the same sense.
I do like knowing whats inside and hearing it tick. Would I wear an ugly watch because it has a great movement? Not really, I have to like it all. Would I wear a quartz watch that I like or is practical or significant to me as a present etc? Yes, although I don't really see it as a watch anymore In the same sense.
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Edward53
·A movement doesn't have to be top-end to be enjoyed. Knowing that this
which I bought on ebay for next to nothing, contains this modest little beauty
is a delight to me, even if I'll never actually see it. It was still reasonable even after servicing and replating, and the timekeeping is excellent. A very cheap watch compared to Heuers and Breitlings with the same movement and in my (possibly a tad biased) opinion, just as nice in its way.
which I bought on ebay for next to nothing, contains this modest little beauty
is a delight to me, even if I'll never actually see it. It was still reasonable even after servicing and replating, and the timekeeping is excellent. A very cheap watch compared to Heuers and Breitlings with the same movement and in my (possibly a tad biased) opinion, just as nice in its way.
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river rat
·A nice movement is crucial.
A 1968 Dodge Charger ...
... is just wrong with slant 6-cylinder engine.
More appropriate.
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Mouse_at_Large
·To me a great movement is one that keeps reasonable time and doesn't break down frequently. It also helps if it can be serviced by a reasonably competent independent rather than some semi-legendary horological anchorite situated on edge of nowhere (or only by the OEM at astronomical cost).
As for display casebacks, I tend to be minimally interested. As long as the whirly, spinny bits are powering the hands ok, they can stay hidden as far as I'm concerned. I don't tend to wear my watches back to front, so I'm perfectly happy to have a nicely engraved solid caseback to briefly catch my attention now and again 😀
As for display casebacks, I tend to be minimally interested. As long as the whirly, spinny bits are powering the hands ok, they can stay hidden as far as I'm concerned. I don't tend to wear my watches back to front, so I'm perfectly happy to have a nicely engraved solid caseback to briefly catch my attention now and again 😀
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river rat
·Only time it's important is when there is easy access to see the movement and it's a great looking movement with special features like the snail cam regulator on this Zenith . Here is a Zenith Special I just added to the collection were the back case cover comes off easy no tools needed with second cover that has glass so you can check out the movement a cool feature. And as some posted pocket watches when I collected those still got some in the collection the more decorated they were the better because it was easy to remove the back case cover to be amazed by how the movement looks.
