Good deal on a vintage conquest, somebody buy it.

Benbradstock · Apr 13, 2020

https://www.ebay.com/itm/283846615622

Not mine, still a good deal, even considering the lack of enamel on the back. I already have one but if I didn’t I would snap this one up.

Mr.Cairo · Apr 14, 2020

Very nice, if it weren't for the huge import tax we pay here I wouldn't have hesitated.

Perhaps you should post it here: https://omegaforums.net/threads/recommended-longines-watches-on-ebay.3388/page-44#post-1458142

Dan S · Apr 14, 2020

Have you ever noticed that the lume plots are so often misaligned with the applied markers on these models. This one isn't as bad as some, but it's still pretty noticeable on some of the markers. I used to think it was suspicious, but after looking at dozens of them over the years, I've come to realize that they simply came that way from the factory. Pretty sloppy. I've owned a couple of them, and they both had the same issue.

Mr.Cairo · Apr 14, 2020

Dan S
Have you ever noticed that the lume plots are so often misaligned with the applied markers on these models. This one isn't as bad as some, but it's still pretty noticeable on some of the markers. I used to think it was suspicious, but after looking at dozens of them over the years, I've come to realize that they simply came that way from the factory. Pretty sloppy. I've owned a couple of them, and they both had the same issue.

Are they really or is it the curvature of the acrylic that gives that impression?

yako54 · Apr 14, 2020

Dan S
Have you ever noticed that the lume plots are so often misaligned with the applied markers on these models. This one isn't as bad as some, but it's still pretty noticeable on some of the markers. I used to think it was suspicious, but after looking at dozens of them over the years, I've come to realize that they simply came that way from the factory. Pretty sloppy. I've owned a couple of them, and they both had the same issue.

I think it's more due to lume loss over the decades. There is also an effect (due to humidy?) that makes the lume puff out or turn dark. I have two near NOS Conquests with perfectly applied anb beautifully aged lume, nothing sloppy here. On the other hand I have some where the lume that turned very dark - almost black and some where it has puffed out.

Dan S · Apr 14, 2020

No, they are really misaligned. The lume line is very often misplaced laterally compared to the tip of the applied metal marker, including on several markers of the OP watch. I've seen it many times, including in person. Just take a look at a few examples and you'll see what I'm talking about.

STANDY · Apr 14, 2020

Dan S
Have you ever noticed that the lume plots are so often misaligned with the applied markers on these models. This one isn't as bad as some, but it's still pretty noticeable on some of the markers. I used to think it was suspicious, but after looking at dozens of them over the years, I've come to realize that they simply came that way from the factory. Pretty sloppy. I've owned a couple of them, and they both had the same issue.

I beg to differ as Longines was far from Sloppy in the above era these watches came from.

I would like to see some examples of your observations

Dan S · Apr 14, 2020

STANDY
I beg to differ as Longines was far from Sloppy in the above era these watches came from.

I would like to see some examples of your observations

Well, the OP watch is one example. I will try to find some more.

Dan S · Apr 14, 2020

Here are a few, but on virtually every one you find, there will be at least one or two markers where there is serious misalignment. That's just the way they were made. It's easy to think that it's due to parallax error in photos, but I have owned a couple of these as well, and they both had the same issue.

Note 12 o'clock on the first one in particular. 7, 8, 10, and 11 on the second, 10 and 11 on the third. On the OP watch, 9 o'clock was particularly bad.

dennisthemenace · Apr 14, 2020

Dan S
Well, the OP watch is one example. I will try to find some more.

For the life of me, I can't see any misaligned markers on the ebay watch.

Dan S · Apr 14, 2020

dennisthemenace
For the life of me, I can't see any misaligned markers on the ebay watch.

9 o'clock is the most noticeable. 10 o'clock slightly. Anyway, perhaps I shouldn't have brought this up, but as I mentioned, having owned a couple of these, I have become sensitized to it, and it bothers me, so I've basically given up on these for my own collection. If I hadn't owned them and had the opportunity to inspect them very carefully, I probably would have convinced myself that the misalignment is an artifact of photography. But it's not.

I want to make it clear that I'm not saying anyone's watch is re-dialed. This often appears on watches with very authentic age and perfect script.

Dan S · Apr 14, 2020

yako54
I think it's more due to lume loss over the decades. There is also an effect (due to humidy?) that makes the lume puff out or turn dark. I have two near NOS Conquests with perfectly applied anb beautifully aged lume, nothing sloppy here. On the other hand I have some where the lume that turned very dark - almost black and some where it has puffed out.

No, it's not lume loss, because the actual printed outline for the lume is itself misaligned. Frankly, I think that the printing is all well-aligned, including the printed lume outline and the printed markers. I think it is probably more related to the placement or orientation of the applied metal markers. Again, I'm not trying to criticize your watch, and I'm now sorry I brought this up, and perhaps I just keep these thoughts to myself. I like Longines a lot.

Transitus · Apr 14, 2020

Can't see any problem with the op watch either. That's not to say the problem doesn't exist on other watches.

I have this model and can attest to the fact that the plexiglass can distort the alignment so perhaps this is multifactorial.

Radiumpassion · Apr 14, 2020

Dan S
....... and I'm now sorry I brought this up, and perhaps I just keep these thoughts to myself.

Please don't. It has been so quiet here on the Longines forum lately😉

yako54 · Apr 14, 2020

The OPs watch isn't mine. I was just jumping in to share my view and observations.

Here come two of mine:
First two pictures: very well preserved Conquests with very accurate original lume
Third and fourth picture: puffed out original lume and lume loss

Spruce · Apr 14, 2020

I hadn’t realised, until I bought a Conquest Heritage, that Longines put the lume on the outer side of the 12, 3 & 9 indices, yet on the inner side for the others (excepting 6).

Dan S · Apr 14, 2020

yako54
The OPs watch isn't mine. I was just jumping in to share my view and observations.

Here come two of mine:
First two pictures: very well preserved Conquests with very accurate original lume
Third and fourth picture: puffed out original lume and lume loss

Thanks, so I think everyone can see the misalignment I'm talking about, particularly on the first one. The metal markers are often misaligned with respect to the lume plots, and with the neighboring printed markers. However, I have no doubt that your dials are original.

Transitus · Apr 14, 2020

Spruce
I hadn’t realised, until I bought a Conquest Heritage, that Longines put the lume on the outer side of the 12, 3 & 9 indices, yet on the inner side for the others (excepting 6).

Yes, I got a pleasant surprise the first time I noticed this 'diamond' formed by the lume.

SportChief · Apr 14, 2020

Dan S
I think it is probably more related to the placement or orientation of the applied metal markers.

I have to agree with your hypothesis. It was probably an issue with Longines applying the metal markers after the dial had been printed and not being able to align them correctly. I've never noticed that until today.

That being said, an original 1950s Conquest is still on my shortlist for my next addition to my small Longines collection. For me, these dials, when well-preserved, are some of the most beautiful ever designed. Right up there with the pie pan dial of an Omega Constellation.

Benbradstock · Apr 14, 2020

I love my 1954 (Pictured here), although truth be told it doesn’t get as much wrist time since I got my 14060. I had an 18 karat gold fab Swiss Conquest (Also 1954 1955), but I sold it recently, as I just found I don’t need a gold watch.

Good deal on a vintage conquest, somebody buy it.

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