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  1. bazderome Jan 25, 2021

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    Pressure will be created by the weight of the watch itself anyway, put your arm down along your body you can see how much tension is made.
    I don't have the NTTD in hands but I guess it could get the same kind of wear, metal against metal friction will always do that.
    One of the solution could be to have a softer material in between the two to take the damage, like a thin rubber layer that will have to be replaced from time to time. It has been discussed about the JB on here, people tried small o rings but then you have to deal with cosmetic change as they are visible.
     
  2. Hands90 Jan 25, 2021

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    Thinking the same thing. If there was a small buffer or if the end links were made softer.
     
  3. lexieb007 Jan 25, 2021

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    My guess is the original JB was designed with springed endlinks so it could be swapped out with ease (rather than using a watch tool or taking it to a watchmaker? Part of the patent? That they had no idea of the long term wear on lugs problem. Is this correct?

    So why not redesign and better Forstner with endlinks that use spring bars?
     
  4. Hands90 Jan 25, 2021

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    My question is why does this happen if the bracelet maxes out at 20mm. There should be no spring action to hit against the lugs
     
  5. bazderome Jan 25, 2021

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    It was made more for as a generic bracelet. The spring loaded system was designed to fit a wide quantity of watches despite the different lug sizes with a single bracelet. The JB was not made for the speedmaster.
     
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  6. bazderome Jan 25, 2021

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    It has nothing to do with the spring pressure, it's the rotation of the endlink around the springbar, you could have a fixed 18mm tubular endlink on the speedmaster, wear will still be created
     
  7. Pazzo Jan 25, 2021

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    Even wearing an OEM bracelet, wear on the lugs will start showing, even underneath the lugs and not just in between.
    The tighter you wear the bracelet the sooner the wear will show. This is inevitable. Stainless steel is not as hard as one might think.

    Wear and enjoy the watch and stop worrying is what I say. ... :)
     
  8. lexieb007 Jan 25, 2021

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    ah ok makes sense cheers for that...
     
  9. Pius XIII Jan 26, 2021

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    Has anyone tried the flat link on the 3861 Speedy yet?
     
  10. Hands90 Jan 26, 2021

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    No but it will fit the same, or are you asking for photos. I'm tempted.
    It would be expensive for me though because I would buy a bergeon 7825 to remove the bracelet unless I ask my AD.
    Also I'd need to buy from Forstner
     
  11. FFabian Jan 28, 2021

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    Forstner has a wide variant of the mesh bracelet. The thread is pretty long - I tried to skim through but found nothing about it.

    Any experience with the wide bracelet? Pictures? The critics don't like the "Lolipop"-Look - does the wider bracelet help with this?
     
  12. Forstnerbands Jan 28, 2021

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    Definitely avoids the "lollipop" look, for folks who don't like that. Below's a photo of the wide version on the Speedy pro. You'll notice that the mesh/end piece essentially matches the lug width. It's surprising how much difference 2mm makes.

    IMG_1418_1024x1024@2x.jpg
     
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  13. SpeedyPhill Founder Of Aussie Cricket Blog Mark Waugh Universe Jan 28, 2021

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    That 2 mm difference looks amazing... superb steel bracelet for the Speedmaster !!!
    As a reminder, here's a 1969 photo of John Young wearing a JB Champion bracelet on his NASA-issued Omega Speedmaster 105.003
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    MoonwatchUniverse_Forstner_Speedmaster.jpg
    As always, more photos at:
    https://moonwatchuniverse.tumblr.com/archive
     
  14. FFabian Jan 29, 2021

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    Did someone try to insert small O-Rings between the end pieces and the lugs to prevent scratching?


    I ordered something similar to this:


    https://www.amazon.de/gp/produ…tle_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


    The endpiece is spring loaded so it should be possible to insert the o-rings between lug and end piece. Or am I wrong here? Does it look terrible?
     
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  15. bazderome Jan 29, 2021

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    https://omegaforums.net/threads/o-rings-for-jb-champion.31214/

    It does show quite a bit indeed

    another one here

    https://omegaforums.net/threads/jb-champion-and-speedmaster-fit-updates.16108/page-2#post-805021
     
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  16. Hands90 Jan 30, 2021

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    It's on. Just got it with the bergeon tool. I was able to avoid all scratches that I could tell. Was not too bad to remove the bracelet on the 3861
    20210130_163004.jpg 20210130_162958.jpg
     
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  17. bazderome Jan 31, 2021

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    Thats not the flat link, but congrats for the watch !
     
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  18. n-theory Jan 31, 2021

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    Wasn't sure where to post this and couldn't find it definitively on the site. Can someone confirm what size those micro screwdrivers are? Is it 1.4mm? The screw size seems close to my other omega bracelet and I'd like to get a quality one (Bergeon or similar).
     
  19. SkunkPrince Jan 31, 2021

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    For the flat link? 1.5mm.
     
  20. n-theory Jan 31, 2021

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    Yes. I bought two flat links. One came with micro screwdrivers, the other didn't. Thanks very much @SkunkPrince