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·Hello guys
A few weeks ago I bought a beautiful French case 2684 Constellation
and I was very happy until a few days ago I showed it here.
In that topic, there were some doubts about the originality of the print/dial due to certain "errors".
https://omegaforums.net/threads/mint-condition-2648-connie-french-case-or.177367/
After several discussions with very experienced collectors and experts, the determination was that the dial is undoubtedly a reprint..
But I could not come to terms with that and decided to make additional study of my watch dial..
after careful observation under a x20 magnifying glass, I saw that the print on the dial is very precise, uniform , pyramidal and extremely sharp.
I decided to do good research and tried to find another 2684 on the Web with a similar or the same print that would give me hope that my watch is completely original and unrestored.
The biggest doubt in my mind was that the print on the markers 3,6,9,12 because it is very precise and sharp with visible sharp points on each corner and that all the letters and cross hair are very thin, which is otherwise not the case on reprinted dials.
My friend and a respectable member here pointed out to me the mistakes/differences in MOY and how the cross hair wrongly touches letters, which was correct... and the biggest doubt in originality was the "kissing "e" in Constellation.
My watch:
Right way:
I was very disappointed because I initially I was very happy and considered this watch a real find, the conclusion was the same again, the dial was definitely a reprint, but I still decided not to return the watch to the seller and researched further.
Several sleepless nights,wet hands, bad breathing and heart palpitations has stoped and hope was awakened because I found one "same" dial..
That gave me additional will and desire to find more.. and here, after the research was completed, I found more than enough pieces with the same "flaws" in print, which led me to the conclusion that my watch with all those other watches simply has a different type of print, but it is original. And it is not a reprint, which is the most important thing.
It is interesting that this "issue" has not been noticed until now (i gave my best but I didn't find nowhere somebody mention this problem) and that it has not been declared as two different prints in the 2684 model or let's say something like service dial..
Here are several links where you can see watches with a print like on my watch .
https://omegaforums.net/threads/18k-omega-constellation-2648-cal-354-waffle-dial.62510/
https://marketplace.watchcharts.com...on-2648-steel-gold-18k-pie-pan-dog-leg-bumper
https://omegaforums.net/threads/reduced-first-omega-constellation-2648-1.156556/
https://vintage-portfolio.com/shop/...8-crosshair-dial-two-tone-shark-tooth-indices/
Pay attention to the position where the cross hair touches the letters MOY (left side of the letter "M" and not left up point as should be and letter "O" not crossed in the middle) and to the kissing "e" and not line in the middle of "e" and "l" .
These "mistakes" in print were reason the dial in my watch was declared as repainted.
Also the wrong 5 minute markers and the big 3,6,9,12 markers.
And here are two fantastic and super sharp pic of the same print style ..
I've been in the world of watches for over 30 years, but I've never had discussions like this before or approached collecting so studiously. so I am looking forward to this discussion and I hope that I will learn new things from more experienced colleagues, experts and collectors since I am sure that I am on the right place for that.
Thank you in advance , and sorry for long post and typo.
Regards
Denis
A few weeks ago I bought a beautiful French case 2684 Constellation
and I was very happy until a few days ago I showed it here.
In that topic, there were some doubts about the originality of the print/dial due to certain "errors".
https://omegaforums.net/threads/mint-condition-2648-connie-french-case-or.177367/
After several discussions with very experienced collectors and experts, the determination was that the dial is undoubtedly a reprint..
But I could not come to terms with that and decided to make additional study of my watch dial..
after careful observation under a x20 magnifying glass, I saw that the print on the dial is very precise, uniform , pyramidal and extremely sharp.
I decided to do good research and tried to find another 2684 on the Web with a similar or the same print that would give me hope that my watch is completely original and unrestored.
The biggest doubt in my mind was that the print on the markers 3,6,9,12 because it is very precise and sharp with visible sharp points on each corner and that all the letters and cross hair are very thin, which is otherwise not the case on reprinted dials.
My friend and a respectable member here pointed out to me the mistakes/differences in MOY and how the cross hair wrongly touches letters, which was correct... and the biggest doubt in originality was the "kissing "e" in Constellation.
My watch:
Right way:
I was very disappointed because I initially I was very happy and considered this watch a real find, the conclusion was the same again, the dial was definitely a reprint, but I still decided not to return the watch to the seller and researched further.
Several sleepless nights,wet hands, bad breathing and heart palpitations has stoped and hope was awakened because I found one "same" dial..
That gave me additional will and desire to find more.. and here, after the research was completed, I found more than enough pieces with the same "flaws" in print, which led me to the conclusion that my watch with all those other watches simply has a different type of print, but it is original. And it is not a reprint, which is the most important thing.
It is interesting that this "issue" has not been noticed until now (i gave my best but I didn't find nowhere somebody mention this problem) and that it has not been declared as two different prints in the 2684 model or let's say something like service dial..
Here are several links where you can see watches with a print like on my watch .
https://omegaforums.net/threads/18k-omega-constellation-2648-cal-354-waffle-dial.62510/
https://marketplace.watchcharts.com...on-2648-steel-gold-18k-pie-pan-dog-leg-bumper
https://omegaforums.net/threads/reduced-first-omega-constellation-2648-1.156556/
https://vintage-portfolio.com/shop/...8-crosshair-dial-two-tone-shark-tooth-indices/
Pay attention to the position where the cross hair touches the letters MOY (left side of the letter "M" and not left up point as should be and letter "O" not crossed in the middle) and to the kissing "e" and not line in the middle of "e" and "l" .
These "mistakes" in print were reason the dial in my watch was declared as repainted.
Also the wrong 5 minute markers and the big 3,6,9,12 markers.
And here are two fantastic and super sharp pic of the same print style ..
I've been in the world of watches for over 30 years, but I've never had discussions like this before or approached collecting so studiously. so I am looking forward to this discussion and I hope that I will learn new things from more experienced colleagues, experts and collectors since I am sure that I am on the right place for that.
Thank you in advance , and sorry for long post and typo.
Regards
Denis