CK 2915 / 2998 BASE 1000 Bezel ... E

daswunschkind · Oct 12, 2015

This is a brilliant thread! I like it very much.
Not because I'm keen to be part of a lynch mob (which I don't empathize! Perhaps we sometime hop too quickly on the fake-train, but the world outside it bad and evil! ;-)
No, Geometer stepped in and immediately got room to explain and defend! (Which he didn't used, but that not the point.)
It could have been a complete different debate, the forum gave the possibility.
I think this is fine attitude.
Cheers
Yann

PS: without to many capital letters! 😁

watchme · Oct 12, 2015

Hijak
I am no expert on the Speedmaster so have no imput on this debate but have to say the behavior and attitude of this seller speaks volumes...wouldn't trust him to take out my trash!🙁

One thing funny though is how many times he has stated that he is leaving and never coming back...but continues to keep doing so.😜

This is exactly what I wanted to express, right after having dinner.
First things first.
There is one thing to add. The more one talks about how good he or something is, the less thruth lies in his words. "Der Fisch stickt am Kopf zuerst"

Nobel Prize · Oct 12, 2015

watchme
"Der Fisch stickt am Kopf zuerst"

Yeah that's what I mea too.." The fish stinks and Cops go to the Zoo"

Spacefruit · Oct 12, 2015

Lynch mob? Please.

Anyone contemplating spending 6000+ has every right to question authenticity.

Note the seller came here of his own volition, and then refused to answer direct questions about his sales history that included reproduction bezels.

He has failed to openly explain the bezel differences between the one he showed on the watch and the one he has on sale. Not even so much as to say he cleaned it up - that would have gone a long way. No, he has been overly defensive from the moment he arrived.

His attitude from he start has been aggressive arrogant and needlessly combatative. Even more incomprehensible when you consider the buyers for a genuine bezel are almost certainly part of this forum.

So what now? My prediction is this:

The bezel will sell for $10,000 -12,000.

In a month, or six, or even a year from now we will see another bezel or several bezels and the seller will try to find alternate distribution methods to milk the illusion that these are old. Gradually, over time, the community will come to understand that there are now excellent quality reproductions on the market, and possibly unwittingly already on watches already sold.

Moreover the buyer of this bezel will start to feel a festering feeling in his stomach that he has, in fact, been thoroughly cheated.

The sad thing is that the producer of these repro bezels, both the painted and the steel, is a highly skilled and talented individual who could sell these well for a good price with full disclosure.

mac_omega · Oct 12, 2015

I have read this long thread carefully "from the distance" as I am not an expert on these early Speedies to throw in my expertise...

And I am not in to defend Geometer... but:
I think there is one great misunderstanding here which is based in the fact that we live in different parts of the world and there is different "etiquette" in the way we communicate.

Let me explain: I am European and when I like to point out something important I used to write it in capital letters - but I do not do this again (at least not on fora where most of the members are Anglo-Americans) because I had to learn my lesson the hard way by doing the mistake with capital letters on a (other) Omega forum.
I was blamed to "shout" on somebody on the forum because I did not know that capital letters means shouting on somebody...
I think this is special use in your English speaking world and not in other parts of the world - so if somebody is not aware of this use of capital letters he might sound offensive.
As I am not a native English speaker I still hope I could express my thoughts properly and you understand what I try to explain - sorry for my lousy school English 😬

regards
Erich

TNTwatch · Oct 12, 2015

Gemini4
One more tidbit of info. Try and look up his June/July eBay insert listings. I did and miraculously they appeared to have been removed. Certainly a good time to move this bezel when the inserts are no longer searchable in EBay. Glad I saved a photo of it.

Can you post that photo?

gemini4 · Oct 12, 2015

Sure. I already did in this thread but here is the Seller's "NOS" insert again:

gemini4 · Oct 12, 2015

i inquired as to the original and authenticity of these inserts and the reply was:

"YES, these are genuine and were made by the certified OMEGA supplier Coloral (CH). Tthey are from the period,
no doubt about that. They are genuine, as mentioned."

And did I mention? Three inserts were available for sale.

TNTwatch · Oct 12, 2015

Gemini4
Sure. I already did in this thread but here is the Seller's "NOS" insert again:

Oh, didn't rember you've posted it, seems like long time ago.😀

No, it's not the same as the bezel on sale atm. On the one on sale, all the numbers from 120 to 300 are very close to the edge and most of them have some parts cut off (could be worn out or could be manufacturing error). The insert, as well as the other bezel posted, have those numbers stay clear of the edge.

gemini4 · Oct 12, 2015

TNTwatch
Oh, didn't rember you've posted it, seems like long time ago.😀

No, it's not the same as the bezel on sale atm. On the one on sale, all the numbers from 120 to 300 are very close to the edge and most of them have some parts cut off.

I suspect edges of the insert may now be covered by the bezel edge

TNTwatch · Oct 12, 2015

Gemini4
I suspect edges of the insert may now be covered by the bezel edge

The other bezels don't have that area of the edge covered. Also the fonts on the insert (like the other bezels) does not have that much serifs like the bezel on sale.

gemini4 · Oct 13, 2015

Spacefruit
Lynch mob? Please.

Anyone contemplating spending 6000+ has every right to question authenticity.

Note the seller came here of his own volition, and then refused to answer direct questions about his sales history that included reproduction bezels.

He has failed to openly explain the bezel differences between the one he showed on the watch and the one he has on sale. Not even so much as to say he cleaned it up - that would have gone a long way. No, he has been overly defensive from the moment he arrived.

His attitude from he start has been aggressive arrogant and needlessly combatative. Even more incomprehensible when you consider the buyers for a genuine bezel are almost certainly part of this forum.

So what now? My prediction is this:

The bezel will sell for $10,000 -12,000.

In a month, or six, or even a year from now we will see another bezel or several bezels and the seller will try to find alternate distribution methods to milk the illusion that these are old. Gradually, over time, the community will come to understand that there are now excellent quality reproductions on the market, and possibly unwittingly already on watches already sold.

Moreover the buyer of this bezel will start to feel a festering feeling in his stomach that he has, in fact, been thoroughly cheated.

The sad thing is that the producer of these repro bezels, both the painted and the steel, is a highly skilled and talented individual who could sell these well for a good price with full disclosure.

It appears that bidding has been rolled back to $3400 on this bezel. Potential buyers reading this thread?

Davidt · Oct 13, 2015

Christ! What a thread!

Looking at all the pictures presented here, there's no way I could be sure either way if the bezel for sale is the one shown in the parts lot. I actually think it might be genuine, but im only 60/40, as with poor pictures it's just so hard to differentiate between, shadow, dirt, dust, genuine damage etc.

With that doubt, there's is no way on gods green earth that I'd pay serious money for it.

A larger issue for me is the sellers attitude. When you sell anything rare or of significant value, you must always expect to be scrutinised. especially something so rare and in such good condition that it's almost too good to be true, so people (rightly or wrongly) instinctively think "copy". To react so diffensively, and state several times that this piece is genuine, while constantly ignoring questions about his other bezels suggests to me that this actual piece may be the real deal, but that it has been used as a template for repros.

And to alienate so many of your potential buyers in such a short space of time really is good work.

DLT222 · Oct 13, 2015

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Loving this

MikiJ · Oct 13, 2015

Davidt3449
And to alienate so many of your potential buyers in such a short space of time really is good work.

Old school taught me that gentlemen sell more watches/parts than assholes :whipped:

YurRomeo1 · Oct 13, 2015

And the listing is no longer active... Ended early.

DLT222 · Oct 13, 2015

Geometer
Assholes buy less parts than gentlemen. That's the correct saying...

I VANISH AGAIN (IN CAPITAL LETTERS)

CHEERIO!

See you is a few....

DLT222 · Oct 13, 2015

Geometer
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Loving this

See your back - Cant keep away!

watchme · Oct 13, 2015

Dislikes 1000

DLT222 · Oct 13, 2015

Geometer
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Loving this

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CK 2915 / 2998 BASE 1000 Bezel ... E

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