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  1. Darlinboy Pratts! Will I B******S!!! Oct 11, 2015

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  2. dennisthemenace Hey, he asked for it! Oct 11, 2015

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    It's better value than the Identical bezel that he has listed at $39k.
     
  3. Darlinboy Pratts! Will I B******S!!! Oct 11, 2015

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    No doubt he'd end the auction early at that price.;)
     
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  4. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Oct 11, 2015

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    I am convinced, without any proof, it's a repro.
     
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  5. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Oct 11, 2015

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    I think it is morally repugnant this bezel issue.

    First the engraved bezels, now this from the same seller.

    It seems a very strange coincidence
     
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  6. watchlovr Oct 11, 2015

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    Don't see an issue if its genuine, no different to super dome plastic crystals for Rolex selling for £300GBP
    Supply and demand.
     
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  7. SpikiSpikester @ ΩF Staff Member Oct 11, 2015

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    No return or warranty policy, condition is too good to be true IF it's genuine.

    Big gamble.
     
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  8. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Oct 11, 2015

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    Here is the base 1000 insert the same seller was hawking over the summer. Seller claims this 2998 complete bezel is genuine and not a insert.

    Of course he claimed the summer time inserts were genuine as well. That claim was a certainly a leap of faith because Omega has never sold inserts. I don't have much faith in anything this guy sells.

    Is this bezel an match with the insert?

    image.jpg
     
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  9. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Oct 11, 2015

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    Circumstantial evidence suggests everything from this seller is newly made.

    Does he think all the buyers for these items do not talk?
     
  10. watchlovr Oct 11, 2015

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    I have bought black inserts from Watchco several years ago.
    They were certainly sold as Omega parts.
     
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  11. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Oct 11, 2015

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    As you are not a native speaker I assume, I will try to convey what my words mean.

    In the absence of any proof, I remain convinced they are repro, until such evidence is shown.

    You have gone some way to show proof and it opens the whole debate in a good way. The eBay listing is so sparse it is hard to give it the benefit of the doubt.

    May I ask if you were the same seller as the steel 2915 bezel in last few months?

    I am sure you are aware of a (possibly) German seller who is making steel bezels (I have one) and there is strong evidence that someone is printing BASE1000 bezels?

    A declaration from you that you have nothing to do with new made imitation parts would go a long way to damp the skeptecism around here.

    As the price of these is rising to levels that fakers find interesting you have to understand that we are all leery of paying large sums for rare parts that turn out to be fake.

    Thank you for joining in. I see that the previous posts may have seemed personal, and somewhat agressive, and I must apologise for that. The frustration of seeing a rare part, and not being able to asses it causes me to get, well, frustrated!

    As I said, glad you are here, and that we can get to the bottom of the real/fake bezel debate.
     
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  12. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Oct 11, 2015

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    No arguments there, I just ask for transparency and openness. When a seller offers something rare, I am afraid the onus is on them to prove it.

    Please stick around - don't let my grumpy persona put you off.

    I for one would gratefully accept any knowledge you have to offer.
     
  13. Darlinboy Pratts! Will I B******S!!! Oct 11, 2015

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    Only 192 more posts and you can sell it here.::popcorn::
     
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  14. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Oct 11, 2015

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    @Geometer:

    Over the summer, on eBay you were selling Omega black base 1000 NOS inserts.
    Today, on eBay, you have for sale a pristine Omega base 1000 which is from a rather worn 2915-3 parts assortment.

    To me, the eBay bezel looks new, pristine and unused. The bezel picture you posted today on OF is worn and faded. They do not appear to be the same bezel. To me it appears that the worn original base 1000 bezel was the model for your insert copies. In the summer you marketed them as inserts. Today, you have glued the inserts and market them as complete bezels. It appears you have (or had) an authentic base 1000 black bezel. Unfortunately, that is not what you are offering for sale.
     
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  15. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Oct 11, 2015

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    So we are comparing this:
    image.jpeg

    With this:

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    Are they the same bezel? I don't know.

    Now enlarging we compare image.png :
    image.png

    Are they the same?

    Can different lighting, or dirt, account for these differences?
    I think they could, but I am not an expert.
    I think the buyers will decide.
     
  16. flyingout Oct 11, 2015

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    Did you take no better photos of the bezel in its original condition? I tried to compare and the picture of the assembled watch is so bad and the for-sale bezel is clean and clearly photographed. I can't tell if the old bezel can be cleaned up that well.

    There seems to be a nick between 82 and 83 on the old one and only the slightest of dust mark on the one for sale.

    Edit: Sorry, between 77 and 78.
     
  17. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Oct 11, 2015

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    And let's not forget in early July, you were marketing the 2915-1 and 2915-2 base 1000 steel reproductions. @Geometer, You seem to have a history as a copier of rare omega bezels. Can you please post the original steel bezel?
     
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  18. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Oct 11, 2015

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    Capital letters doesn't help.

    What might help is,

    "Sure, I cleaned the bezel"
    Or
    Here is a high res photo of the bezel on the watch, you can see all the scratches are in fact dust and cleaned off"


    Or any other help you can give to help us see the bezel you are selling is genuine. It's not a battle here. All we want to hear is the bezel is genuine, you do not deal in reproductions, and that you guarantee it's a real one from circa 1957.


    CAPITAL LETTERS JUST PISSES OFF PEOPLE WHO MIGHT BUY YOUR BEZEL
     
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  19. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Oct 11, 2015

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    Like I said, I am not fighting you. If it is gemuine then great!
    It's just you are not addressing the issues raised by @Gemini4 which brings into play the idea you did sell some repros recently, and that you have not yet denied. Therefore opening up the possibility you did sell repros without declaring.

    Did you?
     
  20. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Oct 11, 2015

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    Touchy touchy

    Definitely. Fraud