CK 2915 / 2998 BASE 1000 Bezel ... E

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There is not the TINIEST difference, other than wear, between the two bezels below (current eBay auction on top, timezone pic on the bottom). The implication for me is that if the eBay bezel is fake, it's so good that no one will ever be able to prove it's fake, so case closed.
The blue/gray doesn't belong. It's A5, style 1. All the others are A6, but only the 1st and the 3rd are the same with serif fonts, but then the 9 and the dot are different. The second is different with no serif and different S.
 
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On closer look, it's possible it's the same bezel like the seller said. If not same then it's a 1 to 1 clone, but a clone of an old and worn bezel.

Mind you, both my far and close looks were way past midnight ... 馃榿
 
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Dear all,

I had a quick look at that topic and here is my concern, which is not directly related to the bezel you are discussing about:

Hypothesis 1: there is only ONE guenine version of "steel base 1000" and of "black base 1000".
Consequence: we were wrong in the book and more importantly, the majority of 2915s and 2998-1 -2s do not have a guenine bezel.

Hypothesis 2: there were several typography providers for each type and thus several bezel versions. In this case, it means that it's more difficult to track repros.

Hypothesis 2b: the variants might come from replacement parts made in the 1960s, then can we consider them as valuable as the "original"?

To the end, I would not state if the black 1000 here is guenine or not, but when bezels are so close to the guenine (hey which one is guenine?), my opinion is that it's more acceptable than the service bezels provided by Omega.
If only Omega decided to produce such parts, the debate would be ended...
 
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And neither do Watchco, now.
Point is I bought them years ago and still have them.
FYI they were not in any Omega packaging, are not rare inserts so not hugely valuable.
Do you think I am lying about this?

According to Ofrei, an authorized Omega parts supply house:

Omega only Supplies Complete Bezels!
We have no bezel inserts available for Omega Watch Bezels
 
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I must say it looks like a lynch mob here, I see no evidence that the black insert is fake, and just because he has produced no acceptable evidence (to the lynch mob) that it is genuine, you all say fake.
Surely the evidence is in the pictures, compare it with correct inserts and show the difference you lot.

None of you have proved it is a fake, you just say it looks too new.
I agree it is suspicious that he produced copies (metal copies I believe) but i see no actual PROOF in this post.
For clarity, I do not know the seller, have no intention of buying it, I just don't like the way you are all ganging up on the chap.
 
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I agree it is suspicious that he produced copies (metal copies I believe) but i see no actual PROOF in this post.
For clarity, I do not know the seller, have no intention of buying it, I just don't like the way you are all ganging up on the chap.

Wow. Legally, I guess you are right. But if someone did a series of fake Monets, and then there were questions about a possibly fake Manet, that he in fact was selling, would you just give him the benefit of the doubt?
 
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Hi there, you super "EXPERTS" with your Sherlock Holmes ambitions...

All I am waiting for now is that Gunnar will add his clever ideas as well...;-)

Here are the pics of the original lot of 2915-3 parts I bought in 2011, including the bezel I am offering now.

Yes, the photos were bad. But the seller was very nice!

And yes, the condition of the bezel IS (not IF) too good to be true!!!


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Cheers!
I must say it looks like a lynch mob here, I see no evidence that the black insert is fake, and just because he has produced no acceptable evidence (to the lynch mob) that it is genuine, you all say fake.
Surely the evidence is in the pictures, compare it with correct inserts and show the difference you lot.

None of you have proved it is a fake, you just say it looks too new.
I agree it is suspicious that he produced copies (metal copies I believe) but i see no actual PROOF in this post.
For clarity, I do not know the seller, have no intention of buying it, I just don't like the way you are all ganging up on the chap.
You are correct in saying that the evidence is in the pictures
The bezel for sale on ebay is clearly not the same as the one shown on the watch. It may be similar, but if you can't see the difference then a visit to optician might be in order.
 
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I must say it looks like a lynch mob here, I see no evidence that the black insert is fake, and just because he has produced no acceptable evidence (to the lynch mob) that it is genuine, you all say fake.
Surely the evidence is in the pictures, compare it with correct inserts and show the difference you lot.

None of you have proved it is a fake, you just say it looks too new.
I agree it is suspicious that he produced copies (metal copies I believe) but i see no actual PROOF in this post.
For clarity, I do not know the seller, have no intention of buying it, I just don't like the way you are all ganging up on the chap.

For the record, the seller listed on Ebay metal base 1000 inserts (2915-1 and 2915-2) and black base 1000 inserts (2915-3, 2998-1 and 2998-2). To me, the bezel for sale matches the black inserts he sold a few months ago.
Hi there, you super "EXPERTS" with your Sherlock Holmes ambitions...

All I am waiting for now is that Gunnar will add his clever ideas as well...;-)

Here are the pics of the original lot of 2915-3 parts I bought in 2011, including the bezel I am offering now.

Yes, the photos were bad. But the seller was very nice!

And yes, the condition of the bezel IS (not IF) too good to be true!!!


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Cheers!

Geometer

Why are these pics no longer accesible? Don't like what they show?
 
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For the record, the seller listed on Ebay metal base 1000 inserts (2915-1 and 2915-2) and black base 1000 inserts (2915-3, 2998-1 and 2998-2). To me, the bezel for sale matches the black inserts he sold a few months ago.


Why are these pics no longer accesible? Don't like what they show?

I'm sure the mods could restore them...
 
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Surely the evidence is in the pictures, compare it with correct inserts and show the difference you lot.
Do you have problem with your eyes or your brain that you didn't see posts with pictures and comparisons to 3 other bezels? The other bezels belong to the 2 types in MWO, and the one on sale does not. That's why the book's author said he was unsure.
 
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Brightened the photo of it on the watch for a better comparison - unfortunately it's a small file so difficult to enlarge to see a ton of detail...

 
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BTW, you guys do understand that by noting every variance here you are training him into making an even better reproduction in the future right? all he has to do is correct the 9, the dot distance, the blue hue and age it a bit more and count his money as it flows in.
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BTW, you guys do understand that my noting every variance here you are training him into making an even better reproduction in the future right? all he has to do is correct the 9, the dot distance, the blue hue and age it a bit more and count his money as it flows in.
It's possible that the one on sale is the same as the old one on the watch based on similarities of several "marks" on the steel rim and the white mark at 78-79. Beside the 90*, there are many other differences to the other 3 bezels posted here that probably caused the MWO author to say it could be a possible variant.

The real problem is with the seller's communication with his potential buyers.
 
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Now enlarging we compare :


Are they the same?

Can different lighting, or dirt, account for these differences?
I think they could, but I am not an expert.
I think the buyers will decide.

Just adding a brighter one for comparison...

 
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This one is the one I'm having a hard time swallowing..


Seems to be a dent just below the 85 and a scratch at the 88 marker on the one in the smaller image.

Anyway, as Gemini4 said, it's about the communications. I'd still very much like to hear answers to the unanswered (and direct) questions.
 
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This one is the one I'm having a hard time swallowing..


Seems to be a dent just below the 85 and a scratch at the 88 marker on the one in the smaller image.

Anyway, as Gemini4 said, it's about the communications. I'd still very much like to hear answers to the unanswered (and direct) questions.



Determining what is a scratch and what is dust is difficult. I'm not convinced there is a dent.

Please understand that I am presenting photos, not making any claim in support or denial of anything being original.

Of course the seller is acting like a douche - that is clear for all to see and for that reason alone I'm sure many (including myself) would never deal with him.
 
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Seems to be a dent just below the 85 and a scratch at the 88 marker on the one in the smaller image.
The dent is definitely there, but it is on another watch in the 3rd picture @wsfarrell posted, not the one the seller posted. (I got it mixed up too)
 
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I am no expert on the Speedmaster so have no imput on this debate but have to say the behavior and attitude of this seller speaks volumes...wouldn't trust him to take out my trash!馃檨

One thing funny though is how many times he has stated that he is leaving and never coming back...but continues to keep doing so.馃槣
 
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Well, I guess I spent enough time here to know exactly where I definitely don't want to waist my time.

If you have any further questions of major importance, feel free to contact me via my auction.

For now, just keep studying tons of images to find out, what I already told you... 馃榾

CHEERS!

Geo, As I said before I really appreciate your input on this one. I get that it's cleaned and that you didn't have a better resolution camera, but what's going on with the difference on the number 9 tails on the 90?