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Martin_F
·Has anybody noticed on Omegas website where they go through all the movements being used in the Moonwatch?
321 - 861 - 1861 - 3861 - reborn 321
321 - 861 - 1861 - 3861 - reborn 321
Breaking News: The New Steel Speedmaster With Caliber 321 “Ed White”
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LeonDeBayonne
·There is a great thread on the topic in case you want to dig into case bevels
https://omegaforums.net/threads/nice-crisp-straight-lugs-got-some.34079/
Thanks. I'm not particularly interested in the subject. I just do not see any "funkiness" in the 60th anniversary and FOIS case bevels. I just see a total absence of bevels in that new EdWhite, which surprises me a bit.
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eugeneandresson
·you can reissue as many versions as you want but there is only so many pre-moon watches out there
While I agree with your sentiments, I can't help to look at the numbers of vintage vs modern reissues, and get a different feeling for this particular watch.
CK2915 : 3~4000 vintage, and 3557+557 modern.
CK2998 : 8000 vintage (spread over 8 variants), and ??? modern (but IMHO the FOIS is not a true reissue)
Moonlanding goldie : 1014 vintage, and 1014 modern.
105003 : 16000 vintage, and 1~2000 modern per year ... IMHO these modern ones will be, at best case, more rare than the vintage ones for a minimum 8 years (maybe less considering some were probably scrapped), if demand sells 2k watches per year for 8 years (and Omega can produce 2k per year). Then there is the price spread in vintage. Top condition ones are 2998 territory prior to this announcement (25~30k). Poor condition ones sell for 6~10k. Most people dont know how to estimate whats inbetween (with a +- 20k spread). This seems like a very safe bet in a way, at the top end vintage condition, priced closer to the lower end vintage condition. Don't get me wrong, top condition vintage pieces will remain at the top, and continue to rise...and those number are in all likelihood quite low...but for the majority, and looking at it that way, this does not seem so 🤨...
All IMH2cO.
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Denarius
·I just see a total absence of bevels in that new EdWhite, which surprises me a bit.
The original watch Ed wore would not have had any bevels so good on Omega for trying to get it right..
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eugeneandresson
·Thanks. I'm not particularly interested in the subject. I just do not see any "funkiness" in the 60th anniversary and FOIS case bevels. I just see a total absence of bevels in that new EdWhite, which surprises me a bit.
Its been determined that -64 cases have no bevels.
Its been attempted to determine the bevels for other straight lug cases. It appears -65's have a distinct bevel, which differs to 2998/2915's ... where some do have unpolished bevels similar to the 60th and FOIS. More pics from owners of pristine watches would be necessary to complete that.
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STANDY
··schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorHas anybody noticed on Omegas website where they go through all the movements being used in the Moonwatch?
321 - 861 - 1861 - 3861 - reborn 321
Might buy a 1861 moon watch and throw it in the safe. The good old stock standard Moonwatch might turn out to be the real investment in the sea of changes and reissued Speedmasters. 😗
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Denarius
·While I agree with your sentiments, I can't help to look at the numbers of vintage vs modern reissues, and get a different feeling for this particular watch.
CK2915 : 3~4000 vintage, and 3557+557 modern.
CK2998 : 8000 vintage (spread over 8 variants), and ??? modern (but IMHO the FOIS is not a true reissue)
Moonlanding goldie : 1014 vintage, and 1014 modern.
105003 : 16000 vintage, and 1~2000 modern per year ... IMHO these modern ones will be, at best case, more rare than the vintage ones for a minimum 8 years (maybe less considering some were probably scrapped), if demand sells 2k watches per year for 8 years (and Omega can produce 2k per year). Then there is the price spread in vintage. Top condition ones are 2998 territory prior to this announcement (25~30k). Poor condition ones sell for 6~10k. Most people dont know how to estimate whats inbetween (with a +- 20k spread). This seems like a very safe bet in a way, at the top end vintage condition, priced closer to the lower end vintage condition. Don't get me wrong, top condition vintage pieces will remain at the top, and continue to rise...and those number are in all likelihood quite low...but for the majority, and looking at it that way, this does not seem so 🤨...
All IMH2cO.
Food for thought there, the 16000 though were produced over 55 years ago so how many are left is questionable, lots must have been broken for parts, lost, left in furniture that went to a dump, I would be surprised if 2/3rds are still out there..
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··schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collectorSo the Speedy Tuesday 2 has the steep dial, applied logo, hesalite, solid caseback and the DON at a fraction of the price 😀
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Alex87
·Anyone know much the servicing will cost?
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LeonDeBayonne
·The original watch Ed wore would not have had any bevels so good on Omega for trying to get it right..
What about the 2915 (60th anniversary) and 2998 (FOIS)? What's so funky with their bevels? I still did not get the answer.
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Vale21
·Gorgeous!
What I was expecting..
Congrats Omega
What I was expecting..
Congrats Omega
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abrod520
·Hate to say it but I'm not super interested in a 1:1 reissue of a 105.003 for the same price as an actual one. But, as I rebuild my collection, I'm at least relieved that there's just that much less temptation to worry about for 2020.
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bazamu
·The price is certainly interesting - not something I find overly egregious given the technical superiority of the cal 321, but likely a tad high (putting this in the $11-12K USD mark would have been more palatable than where it sits). The 1957 reissue presented a very compelling opportunity for collectors such as myself who wanted a 2915 but would never plunk down $100-200K for an example. To have something that's extremely close for 3-6% of the cost was a no-brainer, even if you had to deal with a few quirks (no 321, the bracelet, and the faux lume). This, on the other hand, is at parity with "Good" examples of vintage Ed Whites, which will likely negate a flood of vintage Speedmaster fans from rushing to their AD. IMO, Omega is targeting a completely different audience with this release - fairly well heeled watch lovers who admire vintage straight lug Speedmasters but have resisted jumping into one due to the hassles that can often accompany vintage. With low annual production, I believe demand will easily outpace supply for the next few years at a minimum.
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Denarius
·What about the 2915 (60th anniversary) and 2998 (FOIS)? What's so funky with their bevels? I still did not get the answer.
Perhaps you need to define "funky"?
Top image is my 64, bottom image is a 65, see the difference in the top of the lugs?
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Evitzee
·So the Speedy Tuesday 2 has the steep dial, applied logo, hesalite, solid caseback and the DON at a fraction of the price 😀
And we don't know what the new 3861 Speedmaster will cost, I suspect something in the $7 to $7.5k range. Some of the recent releases are going to look like bargains once all the dust settles.
A smart man would pick up a Hesalite version or two and tuck them away. Bargain at current price.
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JPE.88305
·IMO, Omega is targeting a completely different audience with this release - fairly well heeled watch lovers who admire vintage straight lug Speedmasters but have resisted jumping into one due to the hassles that can often accompany vintage. With low annual production, I believe demand will easily outpace supply for the next few years at a minimum.
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shoota70
·a 14k speedmaster in steel is hillarious.
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