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Speedmaster 105.003-64, are these one year only case designs? Calling all 64 Ed White owners

  1. Tom Dick and Harry Sep 15, 2016

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    evening all

    I posted some thoughts on this a couple of days ago tacked on to another thread but thought it might warrant a seperate stand alone thread.

    So..... I while back my beloved 105.003-64 came back to me, although I've owned a dozen or more Ed Whites this one just gelled with me and was so original and unspoiled when I was offered the opportunity to get it back I broke my humble overdraft and jumped (much to Mrs Dicks unhappiness)

    The watch is completely original and although the case had perhaps had the lightest of refinishes it was pretty much original, which presented a dilemma as the case looked untouched and had lost no meat but had no facets on the case edge

    This is where my research gene kicked in, I looked at ever image of the 64 and all had the same feature as mine, no facets and sharp lug definition between the lug top and sides.

    So I have come to the conclusion that the 105.003-64 is a one year only case design. I do not know the why but all the 64's I've found (except those that have been over finished and had facets added in) have a very definite lack of facet edges.

    When comparing a 64 side by side against a 2998-105003-63 or a 105.003-65 they have a very different profile

    This is my own 105.003-64, it's just back from STS where Simon has given it the very lightest of hand refinishes.

    I'd welcome people feedback and any images of fellow 64 owners watches for comparison. I could be completely wrong and would welcome challenge on this but the research I've done leads to one conclusion that for 1964 omega introduced a case design for a single year then for the 65 reverted back to the faceted case/ lug edge


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  2. M'Bob Sep 15, 2016

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    Your observations I believe are correct, and I had discussed this topic at length over ten years ago with Chuck Maddox and Richard Grimmel, who also concurred. That being said...much more info now, and we used a small sample size.
     
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  3. Tom Dick and Harry Sep 15, 2016

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    Some more shots now she's home and on the wrist

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  4. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Sep 15, 2016

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  5. Tom Dick and Harry Sep 15, 2016

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    Interestingly the middle one in Williams post looks like a 64 profile
     
  6. Furze Sep 16, 2016

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    This is my 64 Ed. 2015-06-30 09.24.50.jpg
     
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  7. Furze Sep 16, 2016

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    My 2 Ed 64s next to each other. Tom, could you explain in more detail what you are highlighting! 2016-01-24 14.40.34.jpg
     
  8. BASE1000 Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Sep 16, 2016

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    beautiful watch, Tom.

    Here is mine with very crisp similar lugs:
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  9. Dash1 Sep 16, 2016

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    Interesting. Does the case maker differ on the -64 from the others?
     
  10. Tom Dick and Harry Sep 16, 2016

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    Ash

    The profile of the case is slightly different to the 65. No different marking that I can see
     
  11. Tom Dick and Harry Sep 16, 2016

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    Yep, so on the lugs for all speedies 57-63 and 65 they have a bevel edge between the top of the lug and the side of the lug, on the 64 only (from what I can see) there are no bevels and the top of the lug meet the case edge/ lug edge crisply and sharply
     
  12. Just Livin Sep 16, 2016

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    Yep. Here's my newly acquired 64. All consistent with your comments above, No bevel, and very sharp points at ends of lugs. IMG_5591.JPG
     
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  13. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Sep 16, 2016

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    and these aren't just polished down beyond recognition? it seems very odd to change the case design, then change it back again.

    is there any rational explanation for this?
     
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  14. Just Livin Sep 16, 2016

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    Ha:) Initially that's what I thought. But, having seen @Tom Dick previous comments here, and on another thread, I believe the thinking is that the 64 case was unique only to 105.003-64 and indeed the shape pointed end/no bevel was the original design. So not an end product as a result of an over polish.
     
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  15. Tom Dick and Harry Sep 16, 2016

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    I am convinced it was a one year only case, every single 64 I can find on google has the same feature.

    Mine, whilst not obviously nos has absolutely no loss of mean and crisp carp case edges on the case sides and around the pushers indicating it's barely been touched, therefore polishing exessively the lugs simply wouldn't make sense.

    All the 64's listed to date have the same feature as mine so on the simply basis of the most likely explanation it is a one year only production case!

    Good enough conclusion for the late 'master' chuck Maddox then good enough for moi
     
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  16. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Sep 16, 2016

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    were Chuck's observations on this topic captured somewhere? I can't find anything about this topic by him.

    I don't discount the pics posted, but just baffled as to why they would do this...
     
  17. BASE1000 Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Sep 16, 2016

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    My first thought was, that it is simply another of the several case manufactures. It is like with the bezels and the hands and the dials. Lemania had differend providers of that hardware from Lelocle, Orient, Bienne and otherwhere in the region and they all did the things a bit in their very own way.
     
  18. Tom Dick and Harry Sep 16, 2016

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    I'd totally agree if I could find a few 64's with different cases but they all seem to have this trait
     
  19. Just Livin Sep 16, 2016

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    some general 64 google search finds.
     
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  20. Tom Dick and Harry Sep 16, 2016

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    Indeed! That was very much my conclusion from google too. I cannot explain away the single year case design, I've no idea, I've asked some friends in 'high places' and hopefully they can shed some light on my research but seems reasonably conclusive at the moment