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·What’s funky on these 2?
Breaking News: The New Steel Speedmaster With Caliber 321 “Ed White”
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Bp1000
·Price is way too high for a purchase to make sense. The first few people that "have to have it" will pay a premium, but I don't understand how a market can support this!
Well its boldly priced. It is Daytona priced, with a yearly production run that's probably less than a Daytona.
Its entirely likely, worldwide, OB/ADs will only get 1-2 pieces.
If you want one, you will probably get it within the first year or 2 of asking; this is not a Daytona frenzy but at 2,000 pieces a year, its low enough to ensure the prices won't crash. It would be very surprised if these ended up sitting in cases attracting discounts.
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KstateSkier
·It’s a beautiful watch. Executed nicely. I like the use of sapphire and ceramic for the modern touch. But, just like the most recent Bond release the price is about 1/3rd too high.
it is beautiful though. Will have to see one in person to decide if I can part with that much cash.
it is beautiful though. Will have to see one in person to decide if I can part with that much cash.
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kov
·Oh ! Looks like I am wearing the right watch today 😎
I like this reedition. No fuss, straight to the point. Great details. Will be interesting if their positioning with the price is a good move or not. Time will tell.
I like this reedition. No fuss, straight to the point. Great details. Will be interesting if their positioning with the price is a good move or not. Time will tell.
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cristos71
·IMHO this re-releasing of so many classics from the Omega back catalogue is simply a cynical ploy to suck $$$ out of the vintage market
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tyrantlizardrex
·I'm surprised at the comments
I'm not.
Re-releasing something that came before, with a few tweaks, for a lot of money, is not ground breaking - its a pure cash grab, as Omega attempt to gain back some of the cash that the auction houses/private sellers/dealers see through epically over inflated vintage sales.
Countdown to someone claiming this watch is "good value"... 3...2...1...
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LeonDeBayonne
·Correct!
The new EdWhite does not have any. More/less funky?
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321Only
·The new EdWhite does not have any. More/less funky?
https://omegaforums.net/threads/nice-crisp-straight-lugs-got-some.34079/
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janw23
·No buzzbutt = no thanks.
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jhross98
·i realize omega has to make money and owes nothing to the vintage community. . but personally i'm turned off by these historical re-issues. same thing over at zenith with the a386.
at these price points. . why not buy an actual ed white ? if you devalue the vintage watches will the modern ones still be as sought after? am i the only person that didn't really have much of an interest in a 2914-1 railmaster or a 2915-1 speedmaster after the re-issues came out ? (i did in fact sell my 2914-1 after the re-issue but it wasn't the only factor at play)
very big divergence between say patek and rolex strategy vs omega. its not the only difference but modern watches that take inspiration from historical watches is different than copying older watches.
i prefer the former approach
now the question is should i sell my ed white. . .
at these price points. . why not buy an actual ed white ? if you devalue the vintage watches will the modern ones still be as sought after? am i the only person that didn't really have much of an interest in a 2914-1 railmaster or a 2915-1 speedmaster after the re-issues came out ? (i did in fact sell my 2914-1 after the re-issue but it wasn't the only factor at play)
very big divergence between say patek and rolex strategy vs omega. its not the only difference but modern watches that take inspiration from historical watches is different than copying older watches.
i prefer the former approach
now the question is should i sell my ed white. . .
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Sidnos
·I'm not.
Re-releasing something that came before, with a few tweaks, for a lot of money, is not ground breaking - its a pure cash grab, as Omega attempt to gain back some of the cash that the auction houses/private sellers/dealers see through epically over inflated vintage sales.
Countdown to someone claiming this watch is "good value"... 3...2...1...
If you have more money than sense...
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Lotus_Eater8815
·A 13,000chf watch with a display back and a movement beating at 18,000bph as a daily beater in a world full of thieves and electromagnets? I don’t think so.
It certainly is a beautiful watch, though.🥰
It certainly is a beautiful watch, though.🥰
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Denarius
·i realize omega has to make money and owes nothing to the vintage community. . but personally i'm turned off by these historical re-issues. same thing over at zenith with the a386.
at these price points. . why not buy an actual ed white ? if you devalue the vintage watches will the modern ones still be as sought after? am i the only person that didn't really have much of an interest in a 2914-1 railmaster or a 2915-1 speedmaster after the re-issues came out ? (i did in fact sell my 2914-1 after the re-issue but it wasn't the only factor at play)
very big divergence between say patek and rolex strategy vs omega. its not the only difference but modern watches that take inspiration from historical watches is different than copying older watches.
i prefer the former approach
now the question is should i sell my ed white. . .
I thought it would be the opposite effect, you can reissue as many versions as you want but there is only so many pre-moon watches out there, it may look like an Ed White and have lots of the same components but it isn't an Ed White and never will be.
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DaveCollins
·Wow, at $14,000 U.S. dollars this watch is outside of the range of any temptation. So I guess that's good for the bank account.
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queriver
·at these price points. . why not buy an actual ed white ?
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zoohannover
·The price makes the watch quite an investment.
Oh, did I say the I word?
(To make it more affordable, I would take the watch with the 3861 caliber instead the 321, with standard bezel and from normal production.)
Oh, did I say the I word?
(To make it more affordable, I would take the watch with the 3861 caliber instead the 321, with standard bezel and from normal production.)
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Screwbacks
·a bit too prohibitive price for me but i like the total aesthetic rendition, aside from the fact that it is powered by a highly durable 321. for now, i'll still stick it out with my vintage 105.012--321.😉
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Martin_J_N
·Well, I'm going to stand in line for one, its a great looking watch, the sapphire case back shows that movement off beautifully, price is a tad higher than I would have liked but I can live with it, and it comes with a 5 year guarantee.
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speedamatuer
·I love the look of the watch, but the pricing is something I can't justify. I'll try some maths...
The 2998 Pulsations has the straight lug case, ceramic bezel and sapphire crystal and RRP was £4.7k. This Ed White has those things as well as a 321 movement, bracelet and sapphire caseback for an extra ~£5.5k. (I've not seen UK pricing yet but 13k CHF is about £10.2k)
A sapphire sandwich Moonwatch on bracelet is £4,700.
A hesalite Moonwatch with a steel caseback on leather is £3,910.
That's £790 for a bracelet, sapphire cystal and caseback and the 1863 movement.
If you take that for £790 for the caseback and bracelet (ignoring any cost for the 1863 over the 1861 movement), then you're looking at £4,710 - more than the price of a sapphire sandwich Moonwatch - for the 321 movement. And that's over the cost of an 1861, not including the cost of the original movement!
Fundamentally Lemania should have all the tech specs for the movement stashed away, and they were producing it 50 years ago, so we can't say there's any fancy tech in it, although I'm sure there was some new tooling. The Racing Speedmaster with a Master Chronometer 9900 movement is only £2,340 more expensive than the sapphire sandwich, and that has tech in it from the last 50 years.
I know it's a free market, Omega can charge what they want, and I'm certain these will sell very well; but for me they're taking the Michael with the marketing around their "new" 321 movement.
The 2998 Pulsations has the straight lug case, ceramic bezel and sapphire crystal and RRP was £4.7k. This Ed White has those things as well as a 321 movement, bracelet and sapphire caseback for an extra ~£5.5k. (I've not seen UK pricing yet but 13k CHF is about £10.2k)
A sapphire sandwich Moonwatch on bracelet is £4,700.
A hesalite Moonwatch with a steel caseback on leather is £3,910.
That's £790 for a bracelet, sapphire cystal and caseback and the 1863 movement.
If you take that for £790 for the caseback and bracelet (ignoring any cost for the 1863 over the 1861 movement), then you're looking at £4,710 - more than the price of a sapphire sandwich Moonwatch - for the 321 movement. And that's over the cost of an 1861, not including the cost of the original movement!
Fundamentally Lemania should have all the tech specs for the movement stashed away, and they were producing it 50 years ago, so we can't say there's any fancy tech in it, although I'm sure there was some new tooling. The Racing Speedmaster with a Master Chronometer 9900 movement is only £2,340 more expensive than the sapphire sandwich, and that has tech in it from the last 50 years.
I know it's a free market, Omega can charge what they want, and I'm certain these will sell very well; but for me they're taking the Michael with the marketing around their "new" 321 movement.
