Am I Being Paranoid?

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They said they would not because the used part could be sold on the black market.

Seriously ?? 馃槻 To me it just sounds they will replace it by a cheap modern "gold plated" crown and keep the precious one for themselves, which is thief !

Never go back there !
 
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Seriously ?? 馃槻 To me it just sounds they will replace it by a cheap modern "gold plated" crown and keep the precious one for themselves, which is thief !

Never go back there !

Perhaps you should relax a bit... The crown isn't made of solid gold to begin with.
 
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Perhaps you should relax a bit... The crown isn't made of solid gold to begin with.
Mine is馃憤

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Sounds like a nightmare...If they don't instantly agree to my terms, on to the next one. Too many quality watch makers out there to force yourself into dealing with that type of customer service. Imagine if something was done incorrectly...not worth the risk!

Best,

Thomas
 
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Being an independent watchmaker means that you can run your business as you wish to - as you can see that isn't always a good thing for the customer. If the person you are asking to do the work won't do what you want, or you get a bad vibe, then walk away. I personally don't want to do work for anyone who feels uncomfortable with my work, or doesn't trust me in any way - better for both of us if they find someone else.

Is it common for watchmakers to provide pictures? I understand Al does it, I never thought about asking my watchmaker. I trust them, it's just nice to have the picture, but it's also additional work for them.

Not really. Although some will provide a few snaps, or a short blog post, most won't do that. To be clear I don't just provide a few photos - it's a full document in pdf showing almost every step of the service with full descriptions of the work being done. These often run to 60+ pages long depending on the watch in question, and sometimes include specific videos as well. It is extra work, and sometimes a lot of extra work, so don't expect that kind of thing for free. Snapping one photo of the movement after the work is done though is a perfectly reasonable request, but again not everyone has to do what you want them to.

Are you sure you didn't accidentally take it to Omega? 馃榿

If he did he would automatically get the parts back! 馃榾
 
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Perhaps you should relax a bit... The crown isn't made of solid gold to begin with.
But it is very expensive and impossible to find.
 
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Sometimes I run into the same "this is what we will do, take it or leave it" attitude. Even with qualified shops that do good work. I think sometimes they get a little tired of the customer service side of the job, and forget they are dealing with a person, not a watch. I would rather find someone that was more personable and enthusiastic about the work.
 
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^Yup agree. Having a good relationship with a trusted watchmaker saves a lot of headache. Not returning original parts sounds very Rolexy? No? Haha
 
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These comments have been helpful. I learned that the original crown is plated (which I suspected but could not confirm by research). I knew it was rare; the shop claims to have a large stock of old Omega parts and might have one.

I just don't get why they seemed eager to replace the crown. Do they often break when serviced?
 
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I knew it was rare; the shop claims to have a large stock of old Omega parts and might have one.

I just don't get why they seemed eager to replace the crown. Do they often break when serviced?

I they do happen to have a stock of no longer available NOS parts - that would be one good reason to use them

the crown is a waterproof crown and has a gasket
therefore the crown would have been routinely replaced in a 'correct' service

the main reason for not replacing it now is that you (generally) can't get a new one
not replacing the crown does compromise the potential 'waterproofness' of your watch - but most collectors don't treat their vintages watches as waterproof anyway
(but you also have to be careful if you live somewhere humid)

hope that helps
 
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These comments have been helpful. I learned that the original crown is plated (which I suspected but could not confirm by research). I knew it was rare; the shop claims to have a large stock of old Omega parts and might have one.

I just don't get why they seemed eager to replace the crown. Do they often break when serviced?

The most common reason to replace a crown is that the seal inside it has deteriorated, and it no longer provides water resistance. If they are replacing it with a true NOS crown that is decades old, the seal in that won't likely be any better, as the seals harden over time and become less effective. As we have seen, some places throw around the "NOS" term very loosely and use it to describe brand new parts of recent manufacture (Watchco for example is a big offender) so it may be that they are replacing it with a new crown just for water resistance.

The best way to find out why they feel the crown must be replaced is to ask them, so let us know what they say...

Cheers, Al
 
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a true NOS crown that is decades old, the seal in that won't likely be any better, as the seals harden over time and become less effective.

I've heard watchmakers say these seals can be resuscitated by saturation in silicone grease. Does this work from your experience?
 
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Nothing resuscitates the degradation of rubber.
 
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Even if you send the watch to Omega you will get your original parts back in a additional bag with your watch.. I would find another watchmaker if I were you
 
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Your watch + your money= you get what you want. I suppose that's good as long as 'what you want' is in line with expert advice.

A couple of days ago I had a chat with an expert watchmaker regarding my vintage Speedy service. We discussed the replacement of my non-original crown and original pushers in order that the watch is correctly sealed. I don't yet fully understand the implications of this being done as opposed to not being done. The obvious questions for me are as follows;

A) Is this important in general use or only if the watch is to be used in an unusually wet or humid environment?
B) Would a future owner, who is a collector prefer the watch to remain with it's original pushers?
C) How would the replacement effect it's value as a vintage watch?

I'm hoping to get some advice on this forum regarding these questions. Presumably the view of expert collectors is important because, if it's advertised on Omega Forums, it's possible one of them may become it's new owner.馃槙

It's a tricky game when you don't really know what you're doing. Straight in at the deep-end!
Hope it turns out well for you.
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Your watch + your money= you get what you want. I suppose that's good as long as 'what you want' is in line with expert advice.

A couple of days ago I had a chat with an expert watchmaker regarding my vintage Speedy service. We discussed the replacement of my non-original crown and original pushers in order that the watch is correctly sealed. I don't yet fully understand the implications of this being done as opposed to not being done. The obvious questions for me are as follows;

A) Is this important in general use or only if the watch is to be used in an unusually wet or humid environment?
B) Would a future owner, who is a collector prefer the watch to remain with it's original pushers?
C) How would the replacement effect it's value as a vintage watch?

I'm hoping to get some advice on this forum regarding these questions. Presumably the view of expert collectors is important because, if it's advertised on Omega Forums, it's possible one of them may become it's new owner.馃槙

It's a tricky game when you don't really know what you're doing. Straight in at the deep-end!
Hope it turns out well for you.
I presume you're referring to STS, based on other posts, correct? I think they have done enough services to valuable pieces that their work and recommendations are highly regarded amongst collectors. It's one thing if the watch is going to sit in a safe, never to be worn. If you plan to wear the watch, the chance of water infiltration is pretty good, no matter how careful you are.
 
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I presume you're referring to STS, based on other posts, correct? I think they have done enough services to valuable pieces that their work and recommendations are highly regarded amongst collectors. It's one thing if the watch is going to sit in a safe, never to be worn. If you plan to wear the watch, the chance of water infiltration is pretty good, no matter how careful you are.
Yes, you are right. I had a nice chat with Simon on Friday. Considering how busy he must be, he was willing to spend time on the telephone to explain things to me. Very reassuring.

I'm pretty sure that I will be offering the 105.012 for sale (including on Omega Forums) sometime between it's 2017 service and the Lunar landing 50th anniversary malarky in 2019. That will give me a year or two to wear it and enjoy owning it in good, serviced condition. Considering the present crown isn't original I suppose it makes sense to replace the pushers (keep hold of the originals) in order to ensure it is correctly sealed and the STS service is guaranteed.
Thanks for your thoughts on the matter.