I have one myself, but I am not about to take it apart to find out. However, since the crown came loose recently, it will have to be taken to a watchmaker soon 😵💫
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The OVDB entry re. pie pan dials I take as a generic remark, just like they don't state the various case metal types some of the references come in, but only mentions "gold cap", for instance.
Are you not able to tell if the dial edges are angled from the front?
If not, seeing the dial out of the case would be very useful.
Its been often quoted, as a justification of painted dome dials being pie-pans, that some of the OVDB entries for the older dome dials with circular painted outer edges refer to pie pan dials.
But as you say, the term pie-pan is a relatively modern construct - but it is much easier than writing ‘dial with flat inner pane and 12 angled facets around the outer edge’. 😀
My point was that the OVDB refers to some references that come with different dial types as only having a single type of dial, just as it often only mentions a single type of case material, even though several exists.
I have in my posession all versions,
So, in conclusion, looks to me that we are dealing more with trompe l'oeils than not with those 168.004 ...
I have in my posession all versions, and all were serviced by Johannes at Watchguy, who is always kind enough to take copious pictures of the dial, back and front, so here goes:
So, in conclusion, looks to me that we are dealing more with trompe l'oeils than not with those 168.004 ...
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But as you say, the term pie-pan is a relatively modern construct - but it is much easier than writing ‘dial with flat inner pane and 12 angled facets around the outer edge’. 😀
The first one is a fair bit overpriced and the second is a redial.
The first one is a fair bit overpriced and the second is a redial.
Bad printing, wrong position of minute markers, etc. Takes experience.
Is there anything in particular about the first one that makes it overpriced at ~$2200? Or is $2200 just too high of a price in general for a Constellation? Still new and learning where to look, but it doesn't seem like there's a lot out there that look halfway decent for under $2000?
Constellations we’re built in vast variations over the decades. Different models have wildly varying degrees of collectibility to nerds like us - there are genuine Constellation references that’ll set you back 500€ for a good example. Others are so special and rare, they might achieve 100x that.
In the end, the market dictates a price, 168.010s just don’t get the love the 50s examples or dogleg references are experiencing, so at auction they usually sell for roughly 1200-1300$ or so (with a pie pan dial! Much less in a dome dial configuration).
