2018 Formula 1 Season

redpcar · Nov 13, 2018

Too quiet. Too short. Too slow.
Maybe someday they can double or triple the battery packs (or double the output of the current packs).

vbrad26 · Nov 13, 2018

Well, I'm not sure what you are expecting...
But there will be no more car changes mid-race. The batteries are now supposed to last a full race.
I'm not sure what their top speed was before, but they are supposed to be able to get to around 175 mph now, which is not F1 fast but slightly faster than DTM.
As for the sound, yes, they are definitely lacking. Not much they can do about that though...
So aside from the sound I honestly think it's shaping up to be a serious series.
You have names like BMW, Audi and Porsche involved with drivers like Andre Lotterer, Pascal Wehrlein and Felipe Massa. Even saw the Andretti name affiliated with a team...
For me, stuff like that is hard to ignore.

texasmade · Nov 13, 2018

All the big manufacturers are seeing an all electric power train as the future and makes sense to start dumping serious resources into FE. I wouldn't be shocked if FE and F1 eventually merge.

Foo2rama · Nov 13, 2018

texasmade
All the big manufacturers are seeing an all electric power train as the future and makes sense to start dumping serious resources into FE. I wouldn't be shocked if FE and F1 eventually merge.

FE is actually a single chassis and almost identical power packs.

I doubt they will merge anytime soon power density required for F1 distances makes it dangerous.

dennisthemenace · Nov 13, 2018

redpcar
Bad form for a back marker to take out the leader.

So how far behind the race leader do you think "back markers" as you call them should be obliged to give up and go home?
Ocon was racing against other back markers trying to win points for the team that pays his wages. Forget the conspiracy theories, he had every right to try to overtake anyone, whether it was the race leader or another back marker, makes no difference.
I personally think that slower cars getting a blue flag to ensure they get out of the way of faster cars is ridiculous. They.might just as well start the race with just the top ten fastest in qualifying, the other drivers might as well have the Sunday off.

simonsays · Nov 13, 2018

Merging would not really work, but it is interesting that Formula E has exclusive rights to all electric engines with the FIA until 2039. As I understand it this would mean some expensive negotiating should F1 ever decide to pursue an all electric power unit.
Maybe F1 will have become a redundant force by then? If we have all stopped buying cars where is the commercial incentive?

simonsays · Nov 13, 2018

dennisthemenace
So how far behind the race leader do you think "back markers" as you call them should be obliged to give up and go home?
Ocon was racing against other back markers trying to win points for the team that pays his wages. Forget the conspiracy theories, he had every right to try to overtake anyone, whether it was the race leader or another back marker, makes no difference.
I personally think that slower cars getting a blue flag to ensure they get out of the way of faster cars is ridiculous. They.might just as well start the race with just the top ten fastest in qualifying, the other drivers might as well have the Sunday off.

Er, you race your competition, not someone who has lapped you. Blue flags are there for safety so slow cars know faster cars are coming and don’t crash into them. Mirrors are not great on F1 cars. Why would you defend a position you have already lost and who wants a random moving bollard getting in the way of the race leaders?

dennisthemenace · Nov 13, 2018

simonsays
Why would you defend a position you have already lost and who wants a random moving bollard getting in the way of the race leaders?

You must have been watching a different race than the one I watched. F1 rules state that you must be at least a cars length ahead to pull the move that Verstappen pulled on Ocon. Ocon wasn't defending, he had the faster car at the time due to fresh tyres, and would have passed Verstappen fair and square. Ocon didn't ruin Max's race, he did that himself.
And isn't it up to drivers in faster cars to be able to actually overtake slower cars through skill and racecraft, rather than just being let through?
Who decides when a slow car is holding up a faster car? Should anyone lapping slower than the race leader be obliged to move out the way?

JimInOz · Nov 13, 2018

After seeing various media recently, it strikes me that Verstappen is a petulant entitled child (JMOOC).

That's the real reason DR is leaving RB, to get away from him!

Vercingetorix · Nov 13, 2018

Petulant is not a strong enough word. It ceases to be petulant when the shoving starts.

simonsays · Nov 13, 2018

dennisthemenace
You must have been watching a different race than the one I watched. F1 rules state that you must be at least a cars length ahead to pull the move that Verstappen pulled on Ocon. Ocon wasn't defending, he had the faster car at the time due to fresh tyres, and would have passed Verstappen fair and square. Ocon didn't ruin Max's race, he did that himself.
And isn't it up to drivers in faster cars to be able to actually overtake slower cars through skill and racecraft, rather than just being let through?
Who decides when a slow car is holding up a faster car? Should anyone lapping slower than the race leader be obliged to move out the way?

I think it would help if you looked at the race as being a single distance, for example 100 miles, rather than 50 2km laps, once you have passed someone they are behind you. In an ideal world you would never see the car you have passed, or started ahead of again.
Due to it being a circuit you come across slower cars again. They should disappear as they are no longer part of your race, hence blue flags.
Ocon was unlapping himself so slightly diffferent but only slightly. If you can do it without interfering with the leader fine. Racing them is not good form.

dennisthemenace · Nov 13, 2018

JimInOz
After seeing various media recently, it strikes me that Verstappen is a petulant entitled child (JMOOC).

Couldn't agree more. Hamilton moved on from being the entitled one five years ago and has matured into one of the best drivers in modern times. Unfortunately, as long as he has Horner defending his every mistake, the same is not going to happen with Verstappen.

dennisthemenace · Nov 13, 2018

simonsays
Racing them is not good form.

So what's the point in having a "race" in the first f%%c$g place then?

simonsays · Nov 13, 2018

dennisthemenace
So what's the point in having a "race" in the first f%%c$g place then?[/QUOTE

dennisthemenace
So what's the point in having a "race" in the first f%%c$g place then?

By definition they are not racing each other, the position change on track makes no difference to the result.

Foo2rama · Nov 13, 2018

simonsays
By definition they are not racing each other, the position change on track makes no difference to the result.

Yes it does if Ocons fighting for points and trying to close with the guy ahead and Max was obviously slower with old tires and a conservation mode.

Vercingetorix · Nov 13, 2018

simonsays
By definition they are not racing each other, the position change on track makes no difference to the result.

Then Max should have let him go instead of hitting him.

Foo2rama · Nov 13, 2018

Vercingetorix
Then Max should have let him go instead of hitting him.

A friend of mine said it well Ocon should not have pushed that hard... Max got payback for the last 2 seasons.

redpcar · Nov 13, 2018

Both drivers have history of childish behavior. They are young. Ocon has made some huge driving blunders this year including taking out his own teammate. From a fan standpoint, I love it. From a driver's point of view (and team owners) it results in millions of dollars on the line. Max and Ocon are fast drivers. Max will be back next year. Ocon will not.

Ocon was not racing Max he was 14th! Ocon was faster at the time due to new tires and the engine turned all the way up but the pass was still a childish move (one of the reasons he will not be back, no team wants him). He made a pass that was well within the rules but when both went into the corner, one should have backed off or given room. Ocon had nothing to lose. Max had the race to lose.

If the roles were reversed, I think the same thing would have happened. They are both reckless arrogant bullies which makes for great racing. In the end I really don't care for either driver. I'm a Kimi fan 😀.

Every driver interviewed (active and retired) said Ocon was ultimately more at fault but they all agree they would have let him through.

Dogmann · Nov 13, 2018

@simonsays

I really don't know where you have got this idea about blue cigs but this is what they actually mean to the driver being shown them.

Blue flag
Warns a driver that he is about to be lapped and to let the faster car overtake. Pass three blue flags without complying and the driver risks being penalised. Blue lights are also displayed at the end of the pit lane when the pit exit is open and a car on track is approaching.

That is what is says about Blue Flags on the F1 website no mention of what you seem to think they mean at all.

Marc

texasmade · Nov 14, 2018

redpcar
Every driver interviewed (active and retired) said Ocon was ultimately more at fault but they all agree they would have let him through.

Agree that Ocon was ultimately more at fault but Max was ultimately dumber for not just letting Ocon through.

2018 Formula 1 Season

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