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Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...I have no issues with a C. But future value will most likely favor the D slightly. Price seems good either way.
Your Favourite Planet Ocean?
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Virgil Grissom
·Just got off the phone with Omega USA and they confirmed the ref is a 2500D. Well, that’s not quite true, I called the Boutique in NYC and they said it was a D. Then I called the National Swatch HQ in Jersey and they also confirm its D-ness. I’m a pedant and now I know why my good lady complains so much.
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rahul718
·I do
Just got off the phone with Omega USA and they confirmed the ref is a 2500D. Well, that’s not quite true, I called the Boutique in NYC and they said it was a D. Then I called the National Swatch HQ in Jersey and they also confirm its D-ness. I’m a pedant and now I know why my good lady complains so much.
That’s very odd. The tell tale signs of a D movement are the sharper date font as well as a SN starting after 8525xxxx. I’ve bought 4 PO 2500d watches in the past and I’ve always gone by that criteria.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/forums.watchuseek.com/f20/help-me-identify-2500d-906042.html?amp=1
Sometimes Omega reps don’t use the system properly...happened to me a few times when I’ve asked them to confirm movement variations by a SN. Maybe @Archer can confirm the variant
Hey, if it actually is a D then everything I thought I knew about the differences is completely wrong
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Virgil Grissom
·That’s very odd. The tell tale signs of a D movement are the sharper date font as well as a SN starting after 8525xxxx. I’ve bought 4 PO 2500d watches in the past and I’ve always gone by that criteria.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/forums.watchuseek.com/f20/help-me-identify-2500d-906042.html?amp=1
Sometimes Omega reps don’t use the system properly...happened to me a few times when I’ve asked them to confirm movement variations by a SN. Maybe @Archer can confirm the variant
Hey, if it actually is a D then everything I thought I knew about the differences is completely wrong
@Archer to the rescue (yet again)?! I’ve learned so much from that guy!
Damn, if you cannot trust Omega to know their own shit, who can you trust? Archer, that’s who 😉
The watch number is 84856409.
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JAAA
·Pardon my ignorance, but is there good link i can reference for the different 2500 PO variants (C, D, etc?)
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Virgil Grissom
·Pardon my ignorance, but is there good link i can reference for the different 2500 PO variants (C, D, etc?)
Hi JAAA,
No pardon needed. I’m an utter noob and learning as I go. You’ll find a few good discussions on 2500 iterations on this forum. I’d provide a link but I’m on my crappy iPhone and my thumbs are fat.
VG
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larryganz
·I think a properly serviced 2500C would be just fine. I still have my first Planet Ocean 2500 Liquid Metal Ltd Ed which was serviced last summer by Omega, and the 2500C runs great. However, my Planet Ocean 2201.51 had been serviced by a noob before I bought it, and the escapement ran dry and it was having stopping issues until it was re-serviced.
The $3336 USD ($4500CAD) that you are being offered is a deal with all the original bracelets and straps, even if it needs a service. I'd expect the 2500D models to sell for a little more with just one bracelet.
Another good option is the Titanium Planet Ocean 8500 (in blue) which is much lighter than steel and so it completely makes up for any top-heavyness that the thicker 8500 offers over the 2500. Then you still get the 3-level escapement like the 2500D, although it would add another $1000-1500 to your budget, depending on bracelet vs strap + age. I would not want to own the Planet Ocean 8500/8900 in steel though.
The POLMLE will always stay with me, as well as my Ti Planet Ocean 8500 and Ti Planet Ocean 9300 chronograph. But last year I sold my extra unworn with stickers POLMLE, as well as my Planet Ocean 2201.51 (black bezel/orange numbers), and replaced them both with a Rolex Submariner "Hulk" and SubC ND. I love the Planet Ocean but I didn't need 5 of them.
The $3336 USD ($4500CAD) that you are being offered is a deal with all the original bracelets and straps, even if it needs a service. I'd expect the 2500D models to sell for a little more with just one bracelet.
Another good option is the Titanium Planet Ocean 8500 (in blue) which is much lighter than steel and so it completely makes up for any top-heavyness that the thicker 8500 offers over the 2500. Then you still get the 3-level escapement like the 2500D, although it would add another $1000-1500 to your budget, depending on bracelet vs strap + age. I would not want to own the Planet Ocean 8500/8900 in steel though.
The POLMLE will always stay with me, as well as my Ti Planet Ocean 8500 and Ti Planet Ocean 9300 chronograph. But last year I sold my extra unworn with stickers POLMLE, as well as my Planet Ocean 2201.51 (black bezel/orange numbers), and replaced them both with a Rolex Submariner "Hulk" and SubC ND. I love the Planet Ocean but I didn't need 5 of them.
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Virgil Grissom
·I think a properly serviced 2500C would be just fine. I still have my first Planet Ocean 2500 Liquid Metal Ltd Ed which was serviced last summer by Omega, and the 2500C runs great. However, my Planet Ocean 2201.51 had been serviced by a noob before I bought it, and the escapement ran dry and it was having stopping issues until it was re-serviced.
The $3336 USD ($4500CAD) that you are being offered is a deal with all the original bracelets and straps, even if it needs a service. I'd expect the 2500D models to sell for a little more with just one bracelet.
Another good option is the Titanium Planet Ocean 8500 (in blue) which is much lighter than steel and so it completely makes up for any top-heavyness that the thicker 8500 offers over the 2500. Then you still get the 3-level escapement like the 2500D, although it would add another $1000-1500 to your budget, depending on bracelet vs strap + age. I would not want to own the Planet Ocean 8500/8900 in steel though.
The POLMLE will always stay with me, as well as my Ti Planet Ocean 8500 and Ti Planet Ocean 9300 chronograph. But last year I sold my extra unworn with stickers POLMLE, as well as my Planet Ocean 2201.51 (black bezel/orange numbers), and replaced them both with a Rolex Submariner "Hulk" and SubC ND. I love the Planet Ocean but I didn't need 5 of them.
Thanks for the insight, Larry. The POLMLE is indeed lovely. I just told the Long Haired General I spent +$10K on watches this week so I need to prep the battlefield before I attempt another purchase. That said, she’s not currently speaking to me so now might be a window of opportunity.
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tikkathree
·For those among us who need shiny photos...
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Keef Richards
·I like the 2016 Planet Ocean the best as it has the best movement and latest updates.
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speedyproftw
·Thanks all, keep it coming! Any thoughts on fair market value for a full set 2500D (or C) 42mm?
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77deluxe
·Any 2500 PO
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Archer
··Omega Qualified Watchmaker@Archer to the rescue (yet again)?! I’ve learned so much from that guy!
Damn, if you cannot trust Omega to know their own shit, who can you trust? Archer, that’s who 😉
The watch number is 84856409.
So one thing to keep in mind is that the people you are talking to are customer service people, and they are certainly not technical people who know movements and use the Omega Extranet the same way I would. So while they may have access to the Omega Extranet, but that doesn't mean they actually know how to use it properly for a request of this kind.
Omega updated the Extranet a couple of years ago, and that update seemed to lose some detail, so in some cases when I look up a watch by the serial number, it doesn't tell me what version of the movement was used, so the "Version of movement" information will just be "2500" with no letter designation after it.
So what the person does is look to the list of major assemblies for the watch, and they see 2500D listed - this list of major assemblies will always list the most recent movement that was used in the model, not the specific movement used in that specific serial number watch. So the last movement used in this model was a 2500D, and therefore everyone who asks will get 2500D as the answer, but of course that's not always correct.
Now in this instance when I put the serial number in for your watch (to get specific information you have to search using the serial number, not the model reference) I get this:
Serial number: 84856409
Article ref: 22015000
Version of movement: 2500C
So in this case the scenario above doesn't apply, as the version of the movement is clearly stated as a 2500C. So I'm not clear if you gave the people you were asking the serial number, but if you did they don't appear to know how to look at the right information to give you the correct answer.
Now on the subject of the date font, please be aware that although this can be a guide, I would not rely on it personally. Yes the 2500D date indicator does use a different font, but there's nothing preventing that date indicator from being installed in a 2500C. In fact I had several people ask me to change the date indicator on their 2500C's to the one from the 2500D - I refused those requests by the way, as I felt there was possibly an intent to deceive in the works...
Hope this helps.
Cheers, Al
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Virgil Grissom
·So one thing to keep in mind is that the people you are talking to are customer service people, and they are certainly not technical people who know movements and use the Omega Extranet the same way I would. So while they may have access to the Omega Extranet, but that doesn't mean they actually know how to use it properly for a request of this kind.
Omega updated the Extranet a couple of years ago, and that update seemed to lose some detail, so in some cases when I look up a watch by the serial number, it doesn't tell me what version of the movement was used, so the "Version of movement" information will just be "2500" with no letter designation after it.
So what the person does is look to the list of major assemblies for the watch, and they see 2500D listed - this list of major assemblies will always list the most recent movement that was used in the model, not the specific movement used in that specific serial number watch. So the last movement used in this model was a 2500D, and therefore everyone who asks will get 2500D as the answer, but of course that's not always correct.
Now in this instance when I put the serial number in for your watch (to get specific information you have to search using the serial number, not the model reference) I get this:
Serial number: 84856409
Article ref: 22015000
Version of movement: 2500C
So in this case the scenario above doesn't apply, as the version of the movement is clearly stated as a 2500C. So I'm not clear if you gave the people you were asking the serial number, but if you did they don't appear to know how to look at the right information to give you the correct answer.
Now on the subject of the date font, please be aware that although this can be a guide, I would not rely on it personally. Yes the 2500D date indicator does use a different font, but there's nothing preventing that date indicator from being installed in a 2500C. In fact I had several people ask me to change the date indicator on their 2500C's to the one from the 2500D - I refused those requests by the way, as I felt there was possibly an intent to deceive in the works...
Hope this helps.
Cheers, Al
Hi Al,
Thanks very much for the clarification. It’s an odd state of affairs to be sure. When I called the Omega Boutique on 5th Ave I spoke to the ‘back shop’ repair centre and they stated rather emphatically it was a ‘D’ movement. Sensing my raised eyebrows, they suggested I call HQ in Jersey and speak to the repair centre. This I did and again was told it was a 2500D. The only information I gave was the watch number (serial 84856409). It’s a little vexing that Omega cannot give accurate information on their own products. Saying that, they make no money from second hand sales, so that they fielded my questions at all is something.
I believe both you and Rahul718 are correct. It is a 2500C. Now I just need to decide whether I still want it (plus 3 OEM straps) at $3,336 USD.
I think I do...
For everyone else, please accept my apologies for railroading this thread with a specific watch enquiry. It would be great to hear your opinions on Fav PO models (with photos, naturally).
VG
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Virgil Grissom
·For those interested, I took the liberty of making a side-by-side shot of a (likely) 2500C and a 2500D. The watch on the left is the 2500 I’m looking at buying. Despite the seller and Omega saying it is a ‘D’, Archer and Rahul718 believe it to be a ‘C’. I don’t believe the seller is intentionally disengenous. Rather, like me, he is only going on what Omega told him.
Regardless, I’ve learned a great deal from opening up this thread. There is indeed a font change on the date aperature, as pointed out by Rahul (thank you, Sir).
On a separate note, this shit is complex. I fly advanced helicopters and work as a test pilot for a global simulator corporation. I came at watches with the same zeal and expectation of mastering a large knowledge base. However, I have come to accept I will always be a neophyte when it comes to watches. The ocean of information (even on a sub model of a specific brand) has horizons in every direction. This realization initially left me depressed but now I embrace my ignorance and every new nugget of information I gain. In the end, helicopters are ugly beasts whilst watches reside on the sublime side of beauty. I’m happy to remain blissfully unaware...
Drats, image size too big. I’ll try to shrink them down... standby please.
Regardless, I’ve learned a great deal from opening up this thread. There is indeed a font change on the date aperature, as pointed out by Rahul (thank you, Sir).
On a separate note, this shit is complex. I fly advanced helicopters and work as a test pilot for a global simulator corporation. I came at watches with the same zeal and expectation of mastering a large knowledge base. However, I have come to accept I will always be a neophyte when it comes to watches. The ocean of information (even on a sub model of a specific brand) has horizons in every direction. This realization initially left me depressed but now I embrace my ignorance and every new nugget of information I gain. In the end, helicopters are ugly beasts whilst watches reside on the sublime side of beauty. I’m happy to remain blissfully unaware...
Drats, image size too big. I’ll try to shrink them down... standby please.
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Omega-Q
·There, that’s better.
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Virgil Grissom
·I noticed that the Omega symbol is subdued on the right watch. Is that an indicator of something? Just curious...
I think it’s just the way the light is reflected, or not in this case. Does the brain trust know of any other difference between the C and D without the removal of the case back?
