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gemini4
··Hoarder Of Speed et aliaHere are some more pics. Movement and dial are more appropriate for a 2915-1??? What is the verdict on the bezel?
Wow a 2915-2 for sale
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Dash1
·It's hard to see the bezel really clearly in the photos, but it looks good on first inspection.
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BASE1000
·Bezel is always hard to tell. However it is the 1st version of the steel bezels so also rather a -1. But nobody really will be sure to tell that this bezel never came up on the -2 either. We talk about a period of 2 years (1957-1958) no more. Bezel version I would not get crazy about. The hardest thing will be sourcing correct vintage hands.
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gemini4
··Hoarder Of Speed et aliaWatch is reserved already. Not I btw
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oddboy
·Who took it? Fess up!
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Tom Dick
·I've got to be honest with the way the market is moving and so few flaws for a 2915 I think the price point was good! I hope it's gone to the forum!
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kox
·The 2915 (Speemaster) with cal 321 has the widest holes of all of them with the hour 1,90 mm and the minute 1,05mm. The 2914 (Railmaster) with cal. 284 is the smaller with 1,70 mm and 0,95 mm. The 2913 (Seamaster) with cal 501 is the smallest with 1,50 mm and 0,80mm. Finally there is the rancheros, but it is outside the famous triology. However it has the smalest holes with 1,40 mm and 0,75mm.
Here a comparison picture. The hand on the right is a 2914 hand, the two others are 2915 hands. You can notice without measuring, that the 2914 is thinner and has a smaller hole. A 2913 is not in my collection (unfortunately), so I have no pics. But it is the smalest.
You're right about the 2914 hole being smaller than the 2915. Had my head in "crown" mode, where the 2914 have the largest stem size. And yes, agree on the other hole sizes. And guess we can agree on the fact that smaller holes can be made bigger and fit ;-)
However, I still think the OP watch has a 2913 handset. I don't have the 2915 hands, but have all the others. Let's focus on the profile of the body (the body is of course more wide when the hole is bigger, as seen in my first compare shot). Lets forget the ranchero ones, they are the longest and slimmest and would be to close to the markers.
So, the 2913 has the slimmest body of the 3 holy BA hands, and those OP's does look very slim IMO. The other clue is also to see if the minute hands body and especially the wide of the lume area/shape give a clue / match that of the hour hand body. I think the minute hand also is a 2913 one, but it's a close call between 2913 and 2914 hands anyway, based only on bad pictures.
Enough talk, have made another (low quality, sorry) compare shot between correct 2913, 4 and 5 handsets...and the OP's...... Anyway, the OP's are for sure not 2915's, so good luck finding those. On the flip side, both the 2914 and 2913 hands are in great demand 😀
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·Kox, great comparison. After studying it I agree with your point that we talk about 2913 hands here on the OP watch. That is damn slim for a 2915!
However, let me remind this advert from Omega, where slim hands can be seen as well, but the minute hand is slightly longer and also the shape of the hour hand differs from the OP.
I personally think that this watch never existed in real. Just look at the outside position of the pushers on the case!!!
BTW I love this very special dial printing on the 2913 ... This one should be the blue Mauritius among the 2913's 😁😁😜
However, let me remind this advert from Omega, where slim hands can be seen as well, but the minute hand is slightly longer and also the shape of the hour hand differs from the OP.
I personally think that this watch never existed in real. Just look at the outside position of the pushers on the case!!!
BTW I love this very special dial printing on the 2913 ... This one should be the blue Mauritius among the 2913's 😁😁😜
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kox
·I had a feeling of deja vu, after posting last night. And found an old thread
@BASE1000 we did discuss this watch and the very same hand issues before, just back in may. Are we getting old? 🤦
But this time we (I) missed the point that there is not enough metal on the 2913 hand to make the hole bigger to fit the 2915 hour wheel. @watchyouwant however had a fine answer. One just shave metal of the hour wheel. Oh well.
And yes, the OP watch must be the 2915-2 from the Philips Hong Kong auction in may, that sold for around $56k. Besides the hands, it have the same nicks/scratches around/above the "base" lettering for instance and same 15500x serial (to low for a 2915-2 btw!??).
Won't comment on the price before/after 🙄
@BASE1000 we did discuss this watch and the very same hand issues before, just back in may. Are we getting old? 🤦
But this time we (I) missed the point that there is not enough metal on the 2913 hand to make the hole bigger to fit the 2915 hour wheel. @watchyouwant however had a fine answer. One just shave metal of the hour wheel. Oh well.
And yes, the OP watch must be the 2915-2 from the Philips Hong Kong auction in may, that sold for around $56k. Besides the hands, it have the same nicks/scratches around/above the "base" lettering for instance and same 15500x serial (to low for a 2915-2 btw!??).
Won't comment on the price before/after 🙄
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gemini4
··Hoarder Of Speed et aliaI had a feeling of deja vu, after posting last night. And found an old thread
@BASE1000 we did discuss this watch and the very same hand issues before, just back in may. Are we getting old? 🤦
But this time we (I) missed the point that there is not enough metal on the 2913 hand to make the hole bigger to fit the 2915 hour wheel. @watchyouwant however had a fine answer. One just shave metal of the hour wheel. Oh well.
And yes, the OP watch must be the 2915-2 from the Philips Hong Kong auction in may, that sold for around $56k. Besides the hands, it have the same nicks/scratches around/above the "base" lettering for instance and same 15500x serial (to low for a 2915-2 btw!??).
Won't comment on the price before/after 🙄
I had messaged the seller regarding the provenance. Seller confirmed it was from a Philips auction
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M'Bob
·The 2914 vs 2915 hands seem difficult to spot without a direct side by side. Which of the two do you suspect is on this one?
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oddboy
·Modern broad arrow reissue hands and bezel by the looks of it, IMHO.
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·I will not comment on 2915s.
I will not comment on 2915s.
I will not comment on 2915s.
I will not comment on 2915s.
I will not comment on 2915s.
I will not comment on 2915s.
I will not comment on 2915s.
I will not comment on 2915s.
I will not comment on 2915s.
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Kwijibo
·Is this CK worth 70 k? 😁
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BASE1000
·Kox, damn, yes it seems to be amnesia ... Now when you say it I remember that we had exactly that issue. At least it is a sign of consistency in our opinions 😁
Bezel, no comment 🤪 hands is difficult, as the picture is not sharp enough to tell every detail. Especially in what concerns the flesh of the arrow hand. Only concerning the dimensions it looks like the right on, also the central second. I would say it is the 2nd version central second which was pretty fat in the middle, so it might be a 2915-2? The dial is also from a 2915-2 as are the small totalisator hands.
Bezel, no comment 🤪 hands is difficult, as the picture is not sharp enough to tell every detail. Especially in what concerns the flesh of the arrow hand. Only concerning the dimensions it looks like the right on, also the central second. I would say it is the 2nd version central second which was pretty fat in the middle, so it might be a 2915-2? The dial is also from a 2915-2 as are the small totalisator hands.
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TNTwatch
·I had a feeling of deja vu, after posting last night. And found an old thread
@BASE1000 we did discuss this watch and the very same hand issues before, just back in may. Are we getting old? 🤦
But this time we (I) missed the point that there is not enough metal on the 2913 hand to make the hole bigger to fit the 2915 hour wheel. @watchyouwant however had a fine answer. One just shave metal of the hour wheel. Oh well.
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kox
·If I understand correctly, all the discussions so far are about the BA hour and chrono second hands, but it appears the main minute hand is also from a 2913 as well. This means the cannon pinion has also been shaved down to fit the minute hand, along with the mod on the hour wheel's tube. Not as big problem as finding the correct hands, but correct hands (if found) would not fit as is on this watch.
