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  1. BASE1000

    BASE1000 Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder May 18, 2016

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    I think, this 2915-2 mentioned in the car vs. 2915 thread is worth an own thread and closer look.

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    The bezel looks good to me. Dial and sub hands as well. It is the lates of three known dial versions showing up on 2915-2's and 2915-3's. So fare so good. However the main hands look strange and are definitely not the common version usually being seen on 2915's. The hour hand has a rather slim body and the minute hand to much of lume area in relation to the metal around. They belong pretty sure to a 2913 Seamaster. Even a 2914 Railmaster hour hand has more body.

    Here is a pic I made once to compare 2915 and 2914 hands. The one on the right comes from a rail master , the two others are 2915 hands. Notice how the hand on the right is slightly smaller in the body and also the hole is smaller in diameter.

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    However there is an old advertisement from Omega with a 2915 showing exactly those different hour hands on 2915's. So Omega might have tested slimmer hands on the 2915 as well. On the next pic it looks to me like a rail master 2914 hour and on the bottom like a Seamaster 2913 hand:

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    and here:
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    I do not know how the managed to get those hands on a cal 321 as they have pretty much smaller holes but somehow they managed to do so. After that it is hard to tell whether the setting on this Phillips 2915 is correct or not.

    However I personally prefer to go with the common standard look of the 2915 hands:D
     
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  2. Maganator

    Maganator May 18, 2016

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    A very interesting OP.

    Everything seems to have aged on the watch apart from the sub-dial hands. Are they made from a different metal to the hour/min?
     
  3. Georgieboy58

    Georgieboy58 May 18, 2016

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    Lume vs. white paint. The latter might bleach out, still staying white, while lume usually darkens.
     
  4. ock2915

    ock2915 May 18, 2016

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    Fantastic detail study , thanks for sharing , agree with you , also prefer the more usual hands:thumbsup:
     
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  5. watchyouwant

    watchyouwant ΩF Clairvoyant May 18, 2016

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    the minute hand is still too short..... kind regards. achim
     
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  6. BASE1000

    BASE1000 Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder May 18, 2016

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    Achim, true! So probably not somehthing very rare but a 2913 hand on the 2915 ...
     
  7. Dgercp

    Dgercp May 18, 2016

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    Thanks for the great analysis. I would have real trouble telling the 2915 and 2914 hands apart if I was not looking at both together, and even then it's real hard especially if not seeing the holes. This hobby is way too hard :)
     
  8. leetse2

    leetse2 May 18, 2016

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    Great information, good thing I don't have the funds to even consider watches of this magnitude. So many subtle nuances in vintage...
     
  9. Foo2rama

    Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. May 18, 2016

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    One thing to think about advertising material often uses pre production watches.

    I know that doesn't help, but the advertising has to be done before they go into production, and since these watches changed so quickly in that period there is a chance the advertising pictures are slightly different then the production.
     
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  10. kox

    kox May 18, 2016

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    Yes indeed, but then there's still the issue of the hole sizes. How the hell did they fit the hands then? If you drilled a 2913 BA hour hand from a 1,5mm hole to 1,9mm hole, there is no metal left ...:confused:

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  11. TNTwatch

    TNTwatch May 18, 2016

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    Like already mentioned in the other thread, there's a recess line running along the edge. Bezel appears to have an insert instead of a one-piece construction.
     
  12. BASE1000

    BASE1000 Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder May 18, 2016

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    Yes, good point. Looking at the positions of the pushers on the adverts one can notice that this are not the final positions either.

    Concerning bezel I do neither know what is this strange edge. Maybe the bezel is not that good too ...
     
  13. watchyouwant

    watchyouwant ΩF Clairvoyant May 18, 2016

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    there is another way, to fit the hand.....the hour wheel, where the hand is fitted to, has plenty of metal to take off. had that many years ago with an old speedy, I bought..... the never ending story. kind regards. achim