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Who made this movement?

Foo2rama
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Well I can tell you Omega did not make that movement.

use advanced search on the watch movement database.
 
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timecube timecube
Avoid, avoid, avoid


Run, run, run, run, run, run, run away!

Thanks for your post to help identify the movement.
 
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Foo2rama Foo2rama
Well I can tell you Omega did not make that movement.

use advanced search on the watch movement database.

I'm a collector of automatic watches. I do know all the movement databases and do even have my own, stored in SQL. I can't even find a possible maker, that's why I posted it here to see if someone knows everything about it. I don't care if it's an Omega or not, I just want to know who made the movement.
 
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JackDaniels83 JackDaniels83
I'm a collector of automatic watches. I do know all the movement databases and do even have my own, stored in SQL. I can't even find a possible maker, that's why I posted it here to see if someone knows everything about it.
Whoever made it apparently doesn't want you to know who they are.
 
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Foo2rama Foo2rama
Well I can tell you Omega did not make that movement.

use advanced search on the watch movement database.
Can you please enlighten me and all the others who doesn`t have the knowledge like you how did you come to that verdict?
 
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sirtaifun sirtaifun
Can you please enlighten me and all the others who doesn`t have the knowledge like you how did you come to that verdict?
That Omega didn’t make the movement? Well if that is not glaringly obvious I’m. It sure I can help you.
 
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JackDaniels83 JackDaniels83
I'm a collector of automatic watches. I do know all the movement databases and do even have my own, stored in SQL. I can't even find a possible maker, that's why I posted it here to see if someone knows everything about it. I don't care if it's an Omega or not, I just want to know who made the movement.
Ranfft can’t help you?
 
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ranfft.de can't
faszination-uhrwerk.de can't
uhrforum.de can't
reference.grail-watch.com can't
watch-wiki.net can't

There are quite some automatic collectors out there as well, no one can help to identify the movement.
 
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To be fair to Jack, he is not some naive noob, he’s an expert on hummers. Let’s not dismiss this thread. I can’t help but if you have it in hand are there no markings at all under the balance? If it were an obvious fake I would suggest FHF as the maker bit that isn’t an obv fake anything.

perhaps Al @Archer has seen this before.
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JackDaniels83
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No there is no single stamp or engraving in the whole watch, except the dial. The movement is way to slim for a standard FHF, ETA or something similar. It measures only 3.2mm in thickness, including a quick set date function.
 
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Extremely interesting movement, thanks for sharing.

Very interesting that they both have non-chronometer Constellation dials mounted, those are from, what, the late seventies to early eighties?

What is the jewel count? Is the date advancer plastic? Perhaps @mondodec have seen these before?
 
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As far as I can see, all parts are made of metal (brass and steel).Without removing any parts I count 23 Jewels. Maybe there are more for the center wheel and the wheels of the automatic gears.
 
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Looking at this photo, there is this unusual screw on the regulator marked with a + and -. It is not the screw that retains the stud, it is instead, a fine adjustment to the rate (like a swan neck on an Omega 550 series).
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I've seen this before and here's a watch I serviced. I have never seen this feature on any other calibre but, it may be used by various manufacturers - other watchmakers may be able to comment:
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Lot's of similar features in the shape of the parts as well. That is a Longines L633.1 so, I would suspect that your movement is a Longines or a copy of one. The finish looks poor on your movement and Longines always have very good finishes so it would be hard to believe it is a production Longines. Additionally, the spokes of the balance wheel are a far cheaper design.

Good luck, Chris
 
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The balance spokes got me first and I believe it is a copy . But I have not seen that movement before. Therefore: just a guess
 
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Interesting. It's a very thin movement for an auto and shares some (well actually a number of) strands of "DNA" from other houses.

For example: Longines (as noted above), Omega (rotor retainer), A Schild (basic movement layout/incabloc/screw shapes) and even Seiko (dial side date works).

Ebauches S.A. was at the time I suspect this movement was made, a huge cartel of manufacturers, and possibly there were cross-pollinations of technology/design.

There were also a number of independent houses doing continual development and trying to gain an edge with something new.

Like many of these mysteries from the past, their supporting provenance is probably long gone, but it would be interesting to find out what it was.
 
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