Where have all the vintage speedmasters gone?

eugeneandresson

(context) I have spent the whole evening critically analyzing a watch of mine for the greater good (most likely against my good)...

I took a look at your treasure box...congrats 👍 However, it took all of 5 seconds for something to jump out and hit me in the back of the eye-sockets (ignoring the incorrect bezels / washed dials).

With respect to all of your above mentioned comments regarding 'quality' and what's currently for sale, what exactly is/was this interesting piece in your box, and is this your quality?

- non-professional washed-of-all-lume dial (maybe has 't's)
- in a lyre-lug (professional) case
- with, what, later railmaster hour/min hands (too short to be 2998's)
- and a too short ultraman-style chrono hand

?

(If I had to hazard a guess I would say it was a 105.012 based on pushers, and maybe -63 with the benefit-of-the-doubt that the dial is original?)

M Magic_Omega

I am so surprised, that on the basis of such a bad photo (quick shot), you can qualify the dial (with all reflection of the glass ) - Congratulations for me, you are a genius.

M Magic_Omega

I am so surprised, that on the basis of such a bad photo (quick shot), you can qualify the dial (with all reflection of the glass ) - Congratulations for me, you are a genius.

eugeneandresson

(context) I have spent the whole evening critically analyzing a watch of mine for the greater good (most likely against my good)...

I took a look at your treasure box...congrats 👍 However, it took all of 5 seconds for something to jump out and hit me in the back of the eye-sockets (ignoring the incorrect bezels / washed dials).

With respect to all of your above mentioned comments regarding 'quality' and what's currently for sale, what exactly is/was this interesting piece in your box, and is this your quality?

- non-professional washed-of-all-lume dial (maybe has 't's)
- in a lyre-lug (professional) case
- with, what, later railmaster hour/min hands (too short to be 2998's)
- and a too short ultraman-style chrono hand

?

(If I had to hazard a guess I would say it was a 105.012 based on pushers, and maybe -63 with the benefit-of-the-doubt that the dial is original?)

M Magic_Omega

Hello ,

well observed 😉, 1963 - no professional under the Speedmaster and it has no "T" for Tritium, it's the last year, in 1964 it wasn't allowed to sale without "T".

nonuffinkbloke

Am I the only person who is confused as to why a 'vintage watch collector' would present 12 Omega Speedmasters (to a forum of people who adore Omega watches) in a cardboard box lined with a tea towel and some 'bog paper' screwed up in the corner???
Why would you do that?...😕 What the 'fakk' is that about??? 😕
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nonuffinkbloke

This has developed into a bit of an odd thread but...

Am I the only person who is confused as to why a 'vintage watch collector' would present 12 Omega Speedmasters (to a forum of people who adore Omega watches) in a cardboard box lined with a tea towel and some 'bog paper' screwed up in the corner???
Why would you do that?...😕 What the 'fakk' is that about??? 😕

I feel very blessed that Swiss Time Services cared enough to present my 'old Speedy' in a nice, protective, omega pouch.😀
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oddboy

Correct, though early -63s may be missing the Ts.

...and none should have seamaster hands .

propervinyl

I'm exhausted.

omegaswisst

Hi All,

I have been keeping an eye on the private watch listing and have noticed that only one vintage speedmaster has been listed for sale so far in 2018.

I understand previous listings do not necessarily predict what future listing may be but a quick scan showed:

Private watch listings for 2915-1 through to 145.022-71 speedmasters (by listing date)

Feb 2018......7 (as of 26th Feb 2018)
Jan 2018.......3

Dec 2017......13
Nov 2017......11
Oct 2017.......16
Sept 2017.....10
Aug 2017......7
July 2017......5
June 2017.....7
May 2017......4
April 2017.....12
March 2017...7
Feb 2017......4
Jan 2017.......7

Dec 2016.......8
Nov 2016.......4


I would be interested see whether if any other forum members have noticed this?

MaiLollo

I thought that there a consensus on 105012 all needing professional on the dial ?

M morris3955

I am currently researching my options on selling a watch and came across this site. With the research I've done so far, I believe I have an Omega Speedmaster Professional 145.022. It has straight writing on the case back saying 'The First Watch Worn On The Moon', which I found only existed briefly in the early seventies. This was my father's watch. He was a Captain with the Chicago Fire Dept. and got the watch when he took up flying.

Anyway, I'm looking to sell it and most of my online efforts to assess it's worth have led to somewhat of an education on Omega Speedmasters, while also lending to my confusion on selling in general. I thought that living in a large city (Chicago) would afford me enough options to navigate this unfamiliar territory but it seems that I'm only finding consignment offers online. Is this the best process?

I just feel I'm doing it all wrong. And I'd welcome any suggestions from this forum on how to navigate the sale in the best way.

Thanks

eugeneandresson

Yes, there is a consensus. However, I(we - being OF, from posts here) have seen one other 105.012-63 without professional on the dial, as well as an early 60s period advert from Omega themselves with a professional cased Speedy (105012) without professional on the dial. Using those two little remembered ‘things’, and showing that we are a nice bunch of blokes here by ignoring the doubt of the authenticity of the dial for the benefit of ‘MrQuality’, apparently I correctly determined the sub reference of the strange watch. Or maybe it was just a lucky guess 😀 Seeing as how with every Speedmaster transition visual part changes bleed between the last and first sub-references (2915-3 -> 2998-1, 2998-62 -> 105.002, 105.002 -> 105.003, 145.012 -> 145.022) I don’t think it is a far fetched notion that the same could have happened very early on for ‘105.003 -> 105.012’ (despite this being the ‘new professional designation’, Omega production after all was not as strict as today), but I would expect ‘t’s’ (but honestly can’t remember).

Where have all the vintage Speedmasters gone? Nowhere...they are still on planet Earth I say. They just need to be found again! Just look at the sales section...

airansun

OF is a big tent forum, I gather.

And some of us can remember when these Speedmasters were not considered sacred objects but merely disposable tools, ones that might be gathered in a cardboard box in a bottom, left hand desk drawer.