What's up with these vintage prices?

sdre · Jan 12, 2018

nonuffinkbloke
Some of the best Strats and Teles I've played have come from Fender Japan. 'I've played over priced, large headstock, 1970's Strats that are heavier than a Les Paul Custom. Who's buying them and why? Horrible things. Couldn't hang them back on the shop wall quick enough!😕

I think as the cheaper Mexican and Chinese stuff becomes the
norm the value of the qualityJapanese guitars is rising. Don't get me started on Tokai copies. Superb and in some ways superior to Fender but will they go up in value at the same rate?

For some reason the 'dudes' still want to see Fender, Gibson, PRS or Rickenbaker on the headstock. To be honest so do I even though the best electric guitar I've ever owned is made by a bloke called Gerrard Melancon in Louisiana. It does it all and is a far better instrument than my Gibson and Fender guitars. £2500 new but I doubt it would make £1000 now.look at the quality of it in this photo. Fact is, it has the wrong name on the headstock.

Agreed

I had a mij jazzmaster that played like butter. Back in the day I got them off a Japanese website I forgot for the life of me. Got a 62 telecaster custom as well. Ash body with maple frets. So good. I couldn't see a difference between that a MIA Tele

frederico · Jan 12, 2018

Davidt
In the U.K. Hipsters are definitely wearing vintage Omega and Rolex, although I agree probably more wear digital Casio etc.

There is more of a structural shift in society as, in the West at least, social mobility is falling and there’s an increasing gap between rich and poor (regardless of age). The rich need their wealth badges and watches happen to be one of them. At the same time, as technology and social networks change the way and speed at which we interact, the hunt is on to be seen as authentic; vintage watches tick that box too. So I don’t think the demand is likely to fall off anytime soon.

eugeneandresson · Jan 12, 2018

nonuffinkbloke
can somebody please tell me what the 'fakkin hell' a "Hipster" is?

...because a picture is worth a thousand words, and 1000 pictures is better...

https://www.google.ch/search?q=imag...t9LYAhUiCcAKHURzByEQ_AUICigB&biw=1920&bih=925

chipsotoole · Jan 12, 2018

nonuffinkbloke
Some of the best Strats and Teles I've played have come from Fender Japan. 'I've played over priced, large headstock, 1970's Strats that are heavier than a Les Paul Custom. Who's buying them and why? Horrible things. Couldn't hang them back on the shop wall quick enough!😕

I think as the cheaper Mexican and Chinese stuff becomes the
norm the value of the qualityJapanese guitars is rising. Don't get me started on Tokai copies. Superb and in some ways superior to Fender but will they go up in value at the same rate?

For some reason the 'dudes' still want to see Fender, Gibson, PRS or Rickenbaker on the headstock. To be honest so do I even though the best electric guitar I've ever owned is made by a bloke called Gerrard Melancon in Louisiana. It does it all and is a far better instrument than my Gibson and Fender guitars. £2500 new but I doubt it would make £1000 now.look at the quality of it in this photo. Fact is, it has the wrong name on the headstock.

I'm predominantly a vintage Ibanez (and other name derivatives from the Fuji Gen. factory) collector....these are a couple of them..

George.A · Jan 12, 2018

I see there are several discussions about this topic and I feel there are at least 2 perspectives on this side, each with several dimensions:

1. if you consider watches as investment:

1.a. and you bought a lot of watches in the past, now it's a good time to cash out. If you plan to repeat this situation, you take a risk as you're betting prices will increase even further.

1.b. you got recently bitten by this bug, so you are now looking to buy watches. Well, you're going either to work more to find the same watch at the same price as last year or you're going to have to pay more. In times of economical growth, a rising tide lifts all boats, meaning that prices rise for almost all watches, regardless of condition (although not with the same % increase for all). As the economy may decrease as well at some point, that increase in prices may stall, or even decrease for certain models. However, the good ones (which are a mix of brand power, historical significance, and most importantly condition condition condition) may very well keep their value. And when speaking about the good ones I'm not only talking about a neat speedy which fetches +10k. A nice Seamaster with great looking dial and sharp case will continue to be very attractive even though it costs 500-1000$. Or a UG Polerouter and so on. The most important thing is to keep in mind they are discontinued, so supply can only decrease over time. Demand may also decrease during an economical crisis, yet not all buyers are affected in the the same way (due to a geographical delay, professional abilities, preexisting contingency plans ets). So as a seller looking for profit, one needs to find the ones with money to spend, which may be harder in times of a crisis than now. But then again, making a profit means a little leg work, no? 😀

2. you consider watches as a hobby and you realize their are not essential to your living, yet you are willing to pay for them in order to indulge yourself. Well, here are also several perspectives:

2.a. you're a disciplined collector and you have a strict rule: one in, one out (yeah, like that's ever going to happen): this is actually a good situation for you as long as you focus on condition condition condition and you do not plan on making huge steps in you collection. For example: selling for 300 a watch you bought for 200, but looking to get a 10k watch instead.
2.b. you're a hoarder. Well, I do hope you got nice watches and not all those frankens from the bay. If you got nice watches and you're a hoarder, selling is out of the question if nothing in your life changes dramatically. So you're impacted by the price increase as you'll pay more for new watches. On the other hand, if you ever decide to sell regardless of reasons, you're gonna cash out big. It's gonna hurt selling your most loved possessions, but at least you get nice money out of it. So a bitter sweet situation, sweeter than a year ago due to the price increase.

To sum it up, it's more expensive to buy certain watches than a year ago. Then again, this has been the trend for quite some time now and I suspect it will continue to be this way regardless of the economical situation for watches in top notch condition. So, if one keeps in mind 2 essential aspects: "condition condition condition" and "buy what you love wearing", the self indulgence part should work just fine. My 2 cents... 😀

westmtn · Jan 12, 2018

As a member of the "younger generation" I'll throw in my 2 cents. I'm 33 years old and I make a decent living. I'm guilty of paying over market for nice watches and I'm definitely contributing to the rise in vintage prices. I think there's multiple contributing factors some of which are temporary and some are permanent. I think that on a long enough timeline nice examples of vintage watches will continue to increase in value but I don't think it's easy to predict what prices will do in the near future as many of these variables could change.

More Demand:

1. Vintage design is becoming increasingly admired by the younger generation. Look at the resurgence of vinyl records and mid century modern furniture. Blame pop culture and period TV shows (Mad Men, Boardwalk Empire, Etc.). I find the aged look of a vintage watch aesthetically pleasing (especially for something that measures time).

2. There are many factors affecting this but smaller watches are becoming more "in" fashion. I think it's become inappropriate to wear a huge clunky watch when most people are not wearing watches at all. I also think the modern watch market has been extremely slow to recognize this trend. I personally love watches but hate 99% of the current big, heavy, and flashy modern offerings. I was looking for smaller watches 5-6 years ago and I couldn't find anything I liked. I turned to vintage and what a wonderful world I found.

3. Modern products are increasingly fake, cheap, abundant, and lose value quickly. This is effectively increasing the demand for quality items. Every other teenage girl has an apple watch and what will they be worth in 5 years? Look at the recent success and resurgence of craft products (raw selvedge denim, handmade leather shoes/belts, craft beer, small boutique watch companies). People will pay $$$$ for quality (real or perceived).

4. The global population is always increasing and thus so is the potential for demand.

5. The pool of people in the world who speak fluent English and have access to the internet is growing faster than the global population.

Economic Factors:

6. The gap between economic classes is increasing and it's become more uncomfortable to dress overly flashy (at least for me). This is also contributing to the smaller watch trend. Wearing a vintage Omega is more subtle than wearing a modern Rolex (or driving a yellow Corvette). You can have a valued watch that you enjoy wearing without screaming "I have money!". Most people don't realize a vintage watch is expensive and probably assume you inherited it. I'm glad my wife doesn't realize how much they cost 😁.

7. The current economic situation is making it easy to spend money for people with decent jobs and good credit.

8. The bitcoin and cryptocurrency boom is not insignificant. I have friends who are collecting vintage cars because they made so much money with bitcoin (just an observation).

9. Inflation is real and a dollar is worth less now than it was 5 years ago.

Less Supply:

10. There's only a limited supply of these watches and they are consumable products. If you wear them they will age and eventually die.

11. There are millionaires who buy and horde the nice examples. Some are collectors and some are doing it for tax evasion (most likely both). Gifting your children a collection of watches worth millions is a nice way to avoid the inheritance tax if left off the will. This has been done with valuable stamps, coins, and guns (any valuable collection).

chipsotoole · May 17, 2018

Edward53
I like 50s and early 60s Constellations and Seamasters, with a particular soft spot for 552 SMs and SM De Villes. I'm not seeing nearly so many of these on ebay as I used to and we all know what rising demand + reduced supply leads to.

When I started to get interested in vintage Omegas I was trying to figure out values and made notes of those on ebay UK that caught my eye for whatever reason. No Speedmasters here as I was never that bothered about those, plus you need to bear in mind a) my undeveloped knowledge; b) tht this list was purely for my reference and never intended for anyone else and looking back I don't always even know what I meant (cheap-looking??). Still, hopefully it's of some interest as a period snapshot. There certainly seem to be a lot more early Constellations on it than are about now.

Sept 2012
Good no-date SS de Ville, no BOR, c. £300.
Good no-date SS de Ville, no BOR, box and papers, £400.
Good no-date SS de Ville, black face, gold hands, no BOR, made £310
Good no-date GC de Ville, no BOR, c. £350.
Good no-date SS SM 552, no BOR, c. £350
18 ct Geneve 552, leather strap, made £480 (promptly relisted).
Good SS Con 551, hex crown, no BOR, £570
18K 551 pie pan, made £2560
Good SS Con 561, gold hands and batons, hex crown, no BOR, made £470.
9-row SS BOR - c. £140.
Seamaster 501, leather strap, made £304
Seamaster 120 w. 601 mvt, leather strap, made £928
Cosmic 2000 diver w. bracelet, tatty, made £576
SS Cosmic 2000 date made £340
0SS 471 SM, no BOR, made £156

Nov 2012:
18ct 354 Const, non pp, rose gold w non-matching but signed crown, made £759
18ct rose gold SM 354 chrono, all orig, solid lugs, superb, made £5,362 in US
18K no-name 552. baton insets partly missing, made £525
Poor SM 552, broken glass & no crown, made £135
SS SM 552 case 165, steel hands, no BOR, gc, made £380
SS pie pan 561, later crown, no BOR, made £566
SS date SM 562? w. papers and 7-row BOR, made £310
SS SM De Ville date 563?, BOR, patinated dial but good, orig crown, made £295
18ct 1967 C-shape 564, near mint, no BOR made £1660
GT Geneve 565, integral bracelet, vgc, made £165
SS SM 1010? (date), good, made £216
GT SM 1012, good, made £200
SS Geneve manual 1030 w steel Omega bracelet, made £197
SS Con 505, non pp dial w quarter numbers, orig crown, back worn but still good, copy BOR, made £387
SS bumper auto date 1946, cal 28.10.RA.SC.PC, good, made £155

December 2012:
18ct chronograph, 1939, vgc, £1423
SS SM 342, vgc, orig crown, leather strap, £161
SS SM 354, darkened dial otherwise vgc, £445
18ct rose gold de luxe 354 w box and papers, v good, initials JMW on back, yellow gold buckle, sold as BIN for £2500
18ct gold SM 354 chronometer, bit battered and spotted but very nice, £727
GC Const 501, orig crown, no BOR, yellowed dial with some spots, £435
SS SM 501 with 7-row BOR, vgc, inscribed to Captain, £401
SS SM 501, quite good, orig crown, fixoflex br, Arabic quarters, £254
SS De Ville 550, dial marked, new crown, £185
SS pie pan 551, no BOR, patinated but good dial, sold for £350 best offer
SS Const 551, domed dial in v poor shape, otherwise good, no BOR, £206
SS SM 552, steel hands, no BOR, near mint, £250
SS SM 552, 7-row BOR, near mint, gold hands, case 165.003, £365
SS Geneve 552, fixoflex bracelet, poor photos, £197
SS Geneve 552, as mine but SS hands, supposed serviced, vgc, £300
14ct Geneve 552, no BOR, good, £364
18 ct 552, no BOR, good, £620
SS Dynamic 552?, black dial blue s-hand, looked ok but poor photos, £155
SS Omega 552, red second hand, vgc, no BOR, £250
GC Const 561, ok, no BOR, £460
SS 561, BOR, good but well redialled, £580
18ct pie pan 561, no BOR, good, £1440
14 ct dome dial 561, 9 ct BOR, £1020
SS 561 or 564, good, orig crown, non-Omega bracelet, £430
SS SM date 562?, vgc, all orig, BOR, made £271
GC SM De Ville, 560 or 562, average, BOR, £332
18ct SM De Ville, 560 or 562, vgc, £670
GT SM chronometer, 564, good, no BOR, made £410
GC Const 564, no BOR, £363
564 movement made £225 in US
18ct dome dial Const, 564? (1967), Arabic numerals, near mint, £1230
Good SM 300, cal 565 w bracelet, £1420
SS Const 751, non-BOR bracelet, mint, £575
GC Const 751, leather strap, made £271
Near-mint SS SM 752 w steel bracelet, £299
SS Const 1011, black TV dial, bracelet, £216
SS Geneve 1012 w bracelet, mint, £310
SS SM 1012 w bracelet, near mint, £190
SS SM Cosmic 2000, good, bracelet, £180
GT SM Cosmic 2000, 1012, bracelet, poor photos, £200
SS SM 1020, mint, no BOR, £642
SS SM 1020, steel bracelet, vgc, £255
SS SM 1020, steel bracelet, vgc, Regency dial, £228
GT Const 1021, vgc, no BOR, £353
Modern Seamaster chronometer w box and papers, white dial and date, £650
V nice SS SM 600, manual, £225
7-row BOR, 11 end links, £103
9-row BOR, worn but ok, £53
9-row BOR, near mint, £110

Jan 2013
SS SM, black dial, 501?, no BOR, looked ok but poor pics, £166
SS SM, black dial, 501, vgc, Arabic corners, no BOR, best offer £385
18ct SM De Ville (no BOR or buckle), £731
18ct SM De Ville, no BOR or buckle, £995
9ct SM 552, Arabic numbers, spots and scratches but nice, no BOR, £377
SS SM 552, faulty BOR, few scratches but ok, £190
SS SM 552, dial slightly discoloured, £252
SS SM 552, vgc, non-Omega crown, £369
Dynamic 552, bracelet, quite good, £218
SM 300 552, no bracelet, £1354
SS SM Memomatic, bracelet, ok, £500
SS SM chronometer, £600
SS SM yachting chronograph, blk face orange hands, bracelet, vgc, £1675
SS Constellation 561, case 168.004 (hidden crown), 7-row fake? BOR, good, £367
SS Constellation, black dial, 561 or 564, BOR, vgc, £435
GC Const 561, piepan, £515
GC SM De Ville, 562?, BOR, worn but ok, £216
SS SM 562?, non-Omega bracelet, vgc, £255
GC Const, BOR, prob 564, ok, £377
SS SM 565, no BOR, quite good, good write-up, BIN £345
SS Geneve 601, vgc, box, £242
GP Geneve 601 bracelet, mint, box, papers, £236
De Ville auto date, prob. 711, 18 ct, no strap, BIN £1100
SS C-shape Const 751, near mint, no BOR, £499
SS SM 752, BOR, vgc, £352
9ct SM 752, 9ct bracelet, vgc, box and papers, BIN £1950
SS SM De Ville date, slight discolour, no BOR, £448
SS Const date 1001, black TV dial, bracelet, exc, £235
SS SM 1010, bracelet, ok but slight spots, £175
SS Const 1011, bracelet, near mint, serviced, £452
SM Cosmic 2000 Diver, 1012, bracelet, vgc, best offer £740
SS Geneve 1012?, bracelet, non-orig Crown, slow, £181
GC SM 1012, no BOR, v good dial, scratches to back, £294
SM Cosmic 2000, 1020, white face, bracelet, vgc, £350
SS SM 1020, bracelet, vgc, £275
SS SM TV dial, prob 1020, ok, no strap, £167
GP Geneve 1022, mint, seems unused, orig strap and buckle, £397

Feb 2013
SS Seamaster 30, 286? mvt, no strap, very nice, £215
SS Seamaster 30, 286 mvt, vgc, £203
9ct Omega manual w milanese bracelet, £600
SS SM 351, vgc, £320
18ct Const calendar 504, good, £1855
SS Omega manual 520, Omega bracelet, slight spots but nice, £200
SS Omega manual 520, Omega mesh bracelet, good, £218
SS Const 551, worn case and dial, no strap, £310
9ct Omega 552, non-Omega bracelet, appears fair, £190
9ct SM 552, Speidel bracelet, face spotty, £225
9ct SM 552, v slight spots, Dennison case, non-Omega crown, £461
18ct SM 552, non-orig crown, slight marks, £660
SS SM 552, vgc, £212
SS SM 552, crosshair dial as mine, no bracelet, vgc, £350
SS SM De Ville 562, date stuck, slight dial discolour, £294
SS Const 564, no bracelet, vgc, £620
SS Geneve 565, slight discolour, £205
SS Omega 600, vgc, £155
GC Seamaster 600, near mint, £297
GC SM Cosmic, 752?, BOR, vgc, £361
SS SM 752, bracelet, vgc, £245
9ct Omega 1012, papers, vgc, £351
GC SM 1022, Omega bracelet, mint, £345

March 2013
Triple moon phase manual c. 1948, discolour, £1270
18ct Const 354, 2-tone dial, gold arrowheads, unsigned crown, slight discolour, vgc, £797
SS SM 501?, vgc, £301
GC Const crosshair pie pan 505?, Arabic corner numbers, £632
S Const 551, 7 row BOR, Arabic corners, cracked glass ow good, £432
551 movement £352
552 movement £79
SS 552 auto, quite nice but cheap-looking, £145
SS SM 300, 552, big triangle, military marked, £6354
SS SM 552, Speidel flex bracelet, near mint, £310
9ct SM 552, Arabic corners, vgc, £490
SS Const pie pan 561, vgc, £455
9ct SM 562, glass scractched otherwise ok, £304
SS SM 562, 7-row BOR, later Omega crown, good, £245
SS Const domed 564, v slight discolour, £359
SS SM 565, 7 row BOR, slight discolour, £287
SS Geneve dynamic, 565, bracelet, v good, clean dial, £201
18ct SM 600 w 18ct bracelet, vgc, 60g overall weight, £770
SS 600, 601 mvt, bit speckled but good, Omega non-BOR bracelet, £180
SS Const 711, vgc, £334
SS Const 711, dial bubbling slightly, otherwise ok, £167
18k Const 711, face v slightly grubby, £820
GC Const 751 w brick bracelet, dial good, slight wear to gold, £410
GC SM 752, mint, Omega bracelet, £400
SS SM 1022, bracelet, vgc, £275

April 2013
SS SM 501, vgc, raised dial, £650 (newbiggen)
GC Const 505, black dial, arrowhead markers, initials to back, vgc, £554
SS Const 551, domed dial, engraving, £477
SS SM De Ville, 550/552, 9-row BOR, very nice, £335
SS SM De Ville, linen dial, steel hands, vgc, £370
SS SM 552, Hirsch strap, vgc, £561
SS Omega 552, 1961, looks a bit cheap but good condition, £107
9ct SM 552, face good, £500
SS SM 552, appears average, £255
GC SM De Ville 552, slight discolour, £192
GC Const pie pan 561, vgc, £665
561 movement only, £92
18ct SM 562, vgc, £1170
18ct SM 562 w 18ct bracelet, 99g, vgc, £3250
SS Const 564, black dial, vgc, £505
SS Const 712, vgc, £326
SS SM 1012, bracelet, vgc, £322
SS SM 1020, bracelet, 1979, vgc, £360
GC SM 1022, Omega bracelet, mint, £430

May
Geneve dynamic 565 with bracelet, £287
GC Const 1021, good, no bracelet, £300

Wow..that's some research!

Waltesefalcon · May 18, 2018

I've been noticing it for the past few months. I've been thinking about adding a Kon Tiki and a C cased Connie, but the prices on both have been steadily going up since the new year.

ucsbgsmith · May 18, 2018

I think that the vintage watch market is largely insular. The majority of pieces worth owning are being purchased by informed members from forums like this one.
A lot of us have made money on vintage pieces in the last few years by virtue of collecting pre-boom. Many of us have sold pieces because the margins were so good but rather than rationally investing in some other medium we take our new found dividend and re-invested it in more watches because... we're watch junkies. Once our profits dry up and our collective old stock has been sold off prices will settle because we won't have extra money to play with.

MCC · May 19, 2018

sgrossma
BTW, popular modern watches from respected brands keep going up too. That concerns me a lot more. $42k for a 5711 anyone?

Indeed all watches are going up in price, I really don't get the premium on still in production Rolex pieces for example, but people will pay over list it seems.

JustTheBezel · May 19, 2018

I've seen this discussion for years now. If you're waiting for Speedmasters and other high-demand Omegas to "reset," you'll be sorely disappointed in 5 years when you can't buy a nice 145.022-74 for less than 10k to 15k usd. This market is not driven by generational desire/connection exclusively like nearly any other collectible. They were not bought and stored in brand new condition. They were worn as tool watches. New young buyers are pouring into this market for any number of reasons. There are not going to be any more vintage Speedmasters produced, but there will be MANY new collectors looking for them during the coming decades. Prices will continue upward barring a catastrophic market crash in all areas, and even then, in 2008 when the world economy was teetering on the brink, Speedmaster prices held or increased. Comparing this market to other collectibles is to use faulty reasoning

bikehomero · May 19, 2018

I also do not think that you can say flat that all the old is getting more expensive. But there are just certain things that really apply. For me it's the old watches, vintage hi-fi and the guitar stuff. With all these things, it depends on whether they are of high quality and of renowned manufacturers.

I always see these price increases with a laughing and a crying eye. Because no matter what it is with my purchases, I have always done because I have fun in the things. Great if I can resell it more expensive. I do not do it. Stupid, if I want to buy with a 62 MIJ Stratocaster, because it is more expensive every year ....

chipsotoole · May 19, 2018

J JustTheBezel
I've seen this discussion for years now. If you're waiting for Speedmasters and other high-demand Omegas to "reset," you'll be sorely disappointed in 5 years when you can't buy a nice 145.022-74 for less than 10k to 15k usd. This market is not driven by generational desire/connection exclusively like nearly any other collectible. They were not bought and stored in brand new condition. They were worn as tool watches. New young buyers are pouring into this market for any number of reasons. There are not going to be any more vintage Speedmasters produced, but there will be MANY new collectors looking for them during the coming decades. Prices will continue upward barring a catastrophic market crash in all areas, and even then, in 2008 when the world economy was teetering on the brink, Speedmaster prices held or increased. Comparing this market to other collectibles is to use faulty reasoning

I think you're right.The upward trend isn't going to stop. I expect we'll also see significant rises in the entire speedy range: Mark II's, III's etc, despite their relative abundance, as vintage moonwatches go beyond most peoples psychological threshold. What do I find more interesting is this vintage watch fandom effect on other brands. Models like JlC reversos and watches like Eterna Kontiki /Sherpa models have always caught the eye of collectors, but what of their "lesser" vintage brands and models? There are so many living and dead Swiss mechanical brands out there..some engineering marvels, others a bit more utilitarian but still functional. Complications like day/date used to automatically add value..but with the advent of the digital age in terms of smartphones and watches, I'm not so sure this will be the case. I have a feeling visual design over function (aside from condition, scarcity, and materials of course) may be something to look out for in future..Of course I may be way off the mark here..and my biscuit tin of "also rans" might end up a slightly expensive experiment/millstone. I think I've been doing this long enough now to pop off the back of a vintage watch in a jumbled mixed box of stuff in a junk shop to know a well made quality movement when I see one. If you were to advise a young budding collector on a very limited budget (say 40-100 euros) to go looking for as yet "undiscovered" brands (already knowing that condition is tantamount), what names would you put out there as possible future brands to collect? Cortebert?
Vintage Watch collecting is most definitely moving forward in ways that will surprise us!

gemstar · May 19, 2018

Kids growing up only knowing cell phones, internet, graduating, getting a good job see vintage primo watches as not only as a "Cool" retro thing but as an investment. Also it's about getting something no one has in their group to stand out in the crowd. Prices will only continue to rise until it's only for the very well off. Rare comics in the 80s were reachable for most but now its totally insane with them going for millions as compared to only thousands back then.. No matter how advanced we get, vintage watches especially rare movements are irreplaceable. I see this as only the beginning. Start buying or regret it later.

JustTheBezel · May 19, 2018

There's a couple of watch bulls, for sure. You make several good points. I'm not sure I could guide anyone to an investment watch for under 100 euros. The watches I see holding their own best are iconic tool watches. These can be worn daily and dressed up to wear with your finery, as well. A Speedmaster, Submariner, GMT, or Daytona (I'm leaving out others, I'm sure.) Have more than just utility and attractive cases; they have history, and some have history that propels them into the next level of collectibility.

STANDY · May 19, 2018

Watched them all go up over the last 10 years as interest in the vintage collection game boomed.
That all there is to it really.

Hundreds of people getting into it as home internet dealers as the prices have risen has pushed prices up further.

Vanallard · Jun 27, 2018

This Constellation just sold for $3,227 USD! It appears to be in good condition but certainly not mint. No pictures of the movement or case back. Identity of bidders is protected so may be a case of proxy bids.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Om...774606?hash=item4420f6164e:g:OUAAAOSw0J9bKev3

Dan S · Jun 27, 2018

Vanallard
This Constellation just sold for $3,227 USD! It appears to be in good condition but certainly not mint. No pictures of the movement or case back. Identity of bidders is protected so may be a case of proxy bids.

The condition looks pretty phenomenal to me, but I agree the price is stratospheric for a watch with no photos of the inside.

ulackfocus · Jun 27, 2018

Those dials in that kind of condition are rarer than hen's teeth. I'd want to see it in person, but there doesn't seem to be a single bubble on it.

Vanallard · Jun 27, 2018

U ulackfocus
Those dials in that kind of condition are rarer than hen's teeth. I'd want to see it in person, but there doesn't seem to be a single bubble on it.

Might just be the lighting/crystal distortion/my deteriorating vision but it seems as though there is some dirt/patina on the outer rim/edge of the dial.

What's up with these vintage prices?

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George.A

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MCC

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