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Wryfox
·My innocent little thread has been hijacked by Watch Hooligans
What is the correct way to use a chronograph pusher?
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tyrantlizardrex
·My innocent little thread has been hijacked by Watch Hooligans
Ok.. seriously.
It differs from watch to watch, and movement to movement, push firmly, but not so firm as to feel like you're smacking it about.
It's much like winding a crown, you feel resistance, and then (unlike a crown), you push.
With my chronographs, the speedsonic feels firmer than the 1861 Speedmaster, which feels firmer than the 861 Jedi...
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Wryfox
·Ok.. seriously.
It differs from watch to watch, and movement to movement, push firmly, but not so firm as to feel like you're smacking it about.
It's much like winding a crown, you feel resistance, and then (unlike a crown), you push.
With my chronographs, the speedsonic feels firmer than the 1861 Speedmaster, which feels firmer than the 861 Jedi...
Rats, I was afraid someone would say that. The Heuer stopwatch seemed to have a sweetspot. Push too fast and it didn't start at all, push too slow and I felt like I was crow-barring it to start (and subsequently delayed the start of actual timing for what I was testing).
The reason the "depends" argument is a bummer is that if I start playing with the speedmaster chrono and juice it wrong, I'll regret it big time. Don't care about the Invicta, but high stakes with a vintage speedy. And before anyone says well don't touch it..I mentioned I'm an engineer, I touch everything.
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akshayluc420
·The Heuer stopwatch seemed to have a sweetspot. Push too fast and it didn't start at all, push too slow and I felt like I was crow-barring it to start (and subsequently delayed the start of actual timing for what I was testing).
Maybe time for a service? I don't know much about Heuer, but I believe this a great site to start with: http://www.onthedash.com/
Fingers crossed!
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Vitezi
·In the age-old debate between column-wheel chronographs versus cam-actuated chronographs, there are those who claim that one of the attributes of a column-wheel design is that the pusher action is very smooth and precise. A cam-actuated architecture has more levers driven by a cam, and to some, the pushers can feel 'sticky' and less precise because a bit more force on the pusher is needed to turn the cam and the levers have a bit more play. Of course this generalization ignores the different implementations that different manufacturers have used, which probably has more bearing on pusher feel than anything else.
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Wryfox
·Maybe time for a service? I don't know much about Heuer, but I believe this a great site to start with: http://www.onthedash.com/
Fingers crossed!
What a great website link you provided, thanks!
The site has a manual for the correct(or close enough) Heuer stopwatch. Unfortunately it only uses the term "depression of the push button" in terms of describing the functions.
My primary concern with this thread is if I push too fast or too slow, with this have a detrimental affect on a chronograph?
In terms of logical operation, one would want to depress as quickly as possible in order to capture the moment of activity accurately.
Here's what I can say, the Heuer stopwatch was what I would call 'digital', it takes a certain force to make it depress and once that force is achieved, it depresses and starts. The 321 speedmaster, on the other hand, does feel more smooth and even, and as soon you go deep enough with the press, it starts. Its a different feel, yes.
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tyrantlizardrex
·And before anyone says well don't touch it..I mentioned I'm an engineer, I touch everything.
Just keep the thought in your head that different movements behave differently... so trying to get every chronograph or stopwatch you have, to behave the same way is a bit of a fools errand.
The end goal should likely be to have each individual watch's stopwatch functions working as they were originally intended to, and within the specifications of the movement.
Measure five hundred times, cut once. etc. 😉
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Wryfox
·so trying to get every chronograph or stopwatch you have, to behave the same way is a bit of a fools errand.
From a design standpoint, and I'm an ergonomics guy, you work with human shape and nature. You have to consider all the variables, with design being for its intended environment, and foreseeable misuse. In my career, the foreseeable misuse aspect has been a critical failure in most engineering systems. Foreseeable misuse, in this aspect, should take into account very fast activation to very slow activation of the chrono pushers (vs what someone might consider reasonable or typical speed of activation), with the acceptable performance within that range. Given that my experience has been most firms do not consider this (for various reasons, some intentional, such as to cut cost, reduce package size, etc), I wanted to see if there was expertise on what the acceptable operation of the pushers should be, given my assumption that there is likely a manner of operation that could cause damage unwittingly.
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ahsposo
··Most fun screen name at ΩFYeah. You don't push them both at the same time.
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Wryfox
·There we go again.
You know, I came back to my thread and found this outside. Dang hooligans.
You know, I came back to my thread and found this outside. Dang hooligans.
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tyrantlizardrex
·I wanted to see if there was expertise on what the acceptable operation of the pushers should be, given my assumption that there is likely a manner of operation that could cause damage unwittingly.
I'm going to go with this:
1 - Engineers expect end users to do dumb stuff, be idiotic, and have no concern for, or real interest in the inner workings of the fantastic products they produce.
2 - Engineers design around these idiotic end users.
3 - Engineers are aware that very often PEBCAK
4 - Engineers just make the damned watches work.
I understand your chain of thought... you may be over thinking though.
Maybe no more coffee for you? 😁
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Wryfox
·Harsh reality check, that is not the rule. Been in engineering for 38yrs, seen alot of guys who don't have a clue about end users, in fact I'd venture to say most. Not their fault largely (although some just don't care), but majority of engineers never understand or meet the end users. Their world is cost, timeline, manufacturing capabilites, etc. Marketing tends to care more about end user, but doesn't understand how to technically communicate those reqts so there is always something lost in the translation. My role in much of my career has been to be the translator. Don't get me wrong, I love engineers and engineering, I just know how they're grown.
I donate time as an advisor to two local colleges engineering and business programs to help influence their planning on what industry really needs from technical training. That's how strongly I feel about this.
I have had a lot of coffee today, what's your point?🫨
I donate time as an advisor to two local colleges engineering and business programs to help influence their planning on what industry really needs from technical training. That's how strongly I feel about this.
I have had a lot of coffee today, what's your point?🫨
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tyrantlizardrex
·Harsh reality check, that is not the rule. Been in engineering for 38yrs, seen alot of guys who don't have a clue about end users, in fact I'd venture to say most. Not their fault largely (although some just don't care), but majority of engineers never understand or meet the end users. Their world is cost, timeline, manufacturing capabilites, etc. Marketing tends to care more about end user, but doesn't understand how to technically communicate those reqts so there is always something lost in the translation. My role in much of my career has been to be the translator. Don't get me wrong, I love engineers and engineering, I just know how they're grown.
I donate time as an advisor to two local colleges engineering and business programs to help influence their planning on what industry really needs from technical training. That's how strongly I feel about this.
I have had a lot of coffee today, what's your point?🫨
I was implying that engineers just built good stuff, and sod the end users/accountants lol.
BMW has always been good at that. 😉
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·Germans, generally, are pretty darn good at designing for end users. I've worked with alot of German companies. Training is top notch. Americans are coming around slowly, they still tend to design in a bubble. Asian companies are pretty good, but typically have american design studios to help understand our market.
Good stuff means it works well in the hands of the end user. Good stuff is never designed in a vacuum, but here are always exceptions, like that little story about the Speedmaster meeting the reqts of NASA space use quite accidentally.
Uh, anyway, anyone know to best use those pushers?
Good stuff means it works well in the hands of the end user. Good stuff is never designed in a vacuum, but here are always exceptions, like that little story about the Speedmaster meeting the reqts of NASA space use quite accidentally.
Uh, anyway, anyone know to best use those pushers?
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··The black sheep in the Spee-ee-eee-eedmaster flockMarketing tends to care more about end user, but doesn't understand how to technically communicate those reqts so there is always something lost in the translation. My role in much of my career has been to be the translator.
Marketing cares about meeting the end-user requirements but only up to a point - the point of purchase.
Somehow this seems appropriate. I do take very slight offense at the "how it was documented" panel however as I'm a technical writer.
As for the pushers, a steady press with even force as appropriate should suffice.
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epcwks
·A chronograph pusher sounds like a speedy dealer.
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mollydooker
·A firm continuous push.
Having rebuilt a Lemania chrono numerous times I strongly suggest that you hold the watch upside down ,take off the back case and push the chrono button/s and watch what moves from what you can see let alone what is under the dial or between the plates.
Having rebuilt a Lemania chrono numerous times I strongly suggest that you hold the watch upside down ,take off the back case and push the chrono button/s and watch what moves from what you can see let alone what is under the dial or between the plates.
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Archer
··Omega Qualified WatchmakerA firm continuous push.
Having rebuilt a Lemania chrono numerous times I strongly suggest that you hold the watch upside down ,take off the back case and push the chrono button/s and watch what moves from what you can see let alone what is under the dial or between the plates.
Having serviced (rebuilt I suppose) hundreds of them, and also being an engineer, I can't believe this is a serious question...or that an engineer would ask it. But I am surprised daily on watch forums with stuff like this, just not here usually. 😉
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Wryfox
·I see the difference on this board too Archer....Mollydooker is trying to be helpful, you are not.
