Went to a Local Rolex Dealer today….

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Call me naive, but I just don’t buy the notion that Rolex, and now Tudor, are purposely limiting or restricting their production.
That they are not increasing production, yes. Agree with this one. But in general, people just seem to underestimate the number of new wristwatch consumers that have entered in the arena thanks to online publications such as Hodinkee, Revolution, etc., to social media, and the booming economies in some parts of the world (China comes to mind).
Also, how many people who used to be satisfied with one watch, have now started to collect (hoard!?) several watches?
Demand is just outpacing production levels from manufacturers right now, and this is compounded by second hand dealers who are also hoarding pieces in order to artificially bump up prices.

Patience is a virtue in general, and it certainly will pay off with watches in due time.

Edited PS: and I would be remiss if I would not mention all the OF enablers who compel us to purchase yet another watch based on their stories and other wrist shots on WRUW! 😁
The only problem with your theory is that Rolex appears to be the ONLY manufacturer of luxury Swiss watches that generally has empty display cases in their stores and very long waiting lists for multiple models. It's diffciult to believe that a company that has been in business since 1905, with a modern and sophisticated manufacturing process (i.e., the watches aren't build one at a time by Swiss elves) and highly competent management can't figure out how to produce enough watches to meet demand. Add to that the fact that there are other Swiss watchmakers with better reputations for high end quality than Rolex (JLC, for example) whose products are readily available. The logical conclusion is not that Rolex can't manufacture enough watches to meet demand, but that it chooses not to.
 
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@MTROIS 20 years of Rolex boutiques everywhere in the world full of stock to zero in a few months……continuing for the last 4-5 years 😗

Here members were showing new Rolex’s weekly ………once in a blue moon now.

Everyone has had or owns a Tudor, and flipped through 3 to get the one they have now.

Just weird if you ask me.
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Through clever advertising and artificial scarcity...
According to my watchmaker, this is a prevalent myth. They sell everything they produce, and the scarcity is real. I was interested to hear about their sales practices, for example, they purposely sell locally and not to people from out of town and certainly not mail order. I got on the list to get an Explorer 36mm when one becomes available (hopefully) in the spring when tax refunds and bonuses are available to me.

He said that Rolex have tried multiple shifts, trying to increase production anyway they can, but apparently Swiss laws are pretty strict on some things.

I have known him for some years now and I have no reason to think he's blowing smoke.
 
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According to my watchmaker, this is a prevalent myth. They sell everything they produce, and the scarcity is real. I was interested to hear about their sales practices, for example, they purposely sell locally and not to people from out of town and certainly not mail order. I got on the list to get an Explorer 36mm when one becomes available (hopefully) in the spring when tax refunds and bonuses are available to me.

He said that Rolex have tried multiple shifts, trying to increase production anyway they can, but apparently Swiss laws are pretty strict on some things.

I have known him for some years now and I have no reason to think he's blowing smoke.
I don’t have a monopoly on the truth, Tom. Your watchmaker may well be correct. Common sense tells me otherwise, but given that there aren’t any Rolex models that I want, I have no dog in the hunt.
 
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I don’t have a monopoly on the truth, Tom. Your watchmaker may well be correct. Common sense tells me otherwise, but given that there aren’t any Rolex models that I want, I have no dog in the hunt.
Yeah, I get you, but he's Rolex trained and all that, and if the dealer can't get what they want to sell to their customers either, and sell everything they can get... I do find it interesting that they chose to become an authorized dealer for Omega as well.
 
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Work colleague (no prior purchase history) walked in a few months ago at an AD asking for an air king, he walked out the same day with it. Turns out his brother was on the list there for that same watch, last month the brother got the call his watch was in but they brought out a '21 model. Seems to me they forgot they still had an AK in the back of the safe so AD's are doing some funny business.
 
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The only problem with your theory is that Rolex appears to be the ONLY manufacturer of luxury Swiss watches that generally has empty display cases in their stores and very long waiting lists for multiple models. It's diffciult to believe that a company that has been in business since 1905, with a modern and sophisticated manufacturing process (i.e., the watches aren't build one at a time by Swiss elves) and highly competent management can't figure out how to produce enough watches to meet demand. Add to that the fact that there are other Swiss watchmakers with better reputations for high end quality than Rolex (JLC, for example) whose products are readily available. The logical conclusion is not that Rolex can't manufacture enough watches to meet demand, but that it chooses not to.

Rolex has currently the best mix of reputability, brand recognition, perceived value, etc… AND, at MSRP, the ratio price/quality is really good for Profesional SS models, or at least good enough for the masses to badly want one.

As an aside, I own three of them, and I can fault them much, and will even go on record to say that their bracelets are outstanding, and allow for the needed fine adjustments that often lack on some of the Omega products.

This is why everybody, especially consumers that are currently fixated on appearance and social status, aspires to purchase a Rolex (and not. JLC), and why in turn, it is currently very difficult to find one at a retailer.

As far as their manufacturing lines, I believe them to be well optimized for a set maximum output per year, and I don’t see how it would make sense for their long term benefit, that they would suddenly try to expand their manufacturing capability.

Of course, to each their own, but I am not surprised the least to see that Rolex and Tudor have a lot of success at the moment. They have been building this for a long time now… and I do believe that one last element of the Rolex brand is the relative stability that they display in their range of products (just like the 911 or the G-Wagen): people are dizzy when seeing the pace of changes in the world, and it does seem reassuring to get a product that seems more stable, consistent and coherent.

Anyhow, I don’t want to sound like a Rolex fan-boy in the OF, so here is my latest acquisition which has taken the spot of my Sub for now:

 
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Rolex has currently the best mix of reputability, brand recognition, perceived value, etc… AND, at MSRP, the ratio price/quality is really good for Profesional SS models, or at least good enough for the masses to badly want one.

As an aside, I own three of them, and I can fault them much, and will even go on record to say that their bracelet are outstanding, and allow for the needed fine adjustments that often lack on some of the Omega products.

This is why everybody, especially consumers that are currently fixated on appearance and social status, aspires to purchase a Rolex (and not. JLC), and why in turn, it is currently very difficult to find one at a retailer.

As far as their manufacturing lines, I believe them to be well optimized for a set maximum output per year, and I don’t see how it would make sense for their long term benefit, that they would suddenly try to expand their manufacturing capability.

Of course, to each their own, but I am not surprised the least to see that Rolex and Tudor have a lot of success at the moment. They have been building this for a long time now… and I do believe that one last element of the Rolex brand is the relative stability that they display in their range of products (just like the 911 or the G-Wagen): people are dizzy when seeing the pace of changes in the world, and it does seem reassuring to get a product that seems more stable, consistent and coherent.

Anyhow, I don’t want to sound like a Rolex fan-boy in the OF, so here is my latest acquisition which has taken the spot of my Sub for now:

All fair points, I think. I would be the first to agree that they make a fine product.
 
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That model is iconic and while I undestand people like the newer Seamaster Professionals, this one is also the one for me.
 
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That model is iconic and while I undestand people like the newer Seamaster Professionals, this one is also the one for me.
Indeed. Never going to lose money on that one. Very handsome watch.
 
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@MTROIS 20 years of Rolex boutiques everywhere in the world full of stock to zero in a few months……continuing for the last 4-5 years 😗

Here members were showing new Rolex’s weekly ………once in a blue moon now.

Everyone has had or owns a Tudor, and flipped through 3 to get the one they have now.

Just weird if you ask me.
@STANDY things have dramatically changed in the watch world in the last 5 years, let alone in the last 20 years.

I am also longing the days when one could buy a cal 321 Speedy or a LE for peanuts, but the harsh reality is that now, everything has gone through the roof.

Look at prices of AP RO, PP Nautilus, etc. 10 years ago, not many people wanted these.
 
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All fair points, I think. I would be the first to agree that they make a fine product.
I look forward to our discussions on this topic and others around a pint of good beer in December!! 😀
 
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I look forward to our discussions on this topic and others around a pint of good beer in December!! 😀
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I have a box of nice Omegas as well but let us remember too that there are scads of brands with Swiss-made mechanical/automatic movements that are also pretty darn good. We chose these brands, after all. Me, mostly because my first Swiss watch was a vintage Omega, and I kept with them since. I now have 11 of them that I rotate through.

This is definitely my nicest one. 😀

 
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I have a box of nice Omegas as well but let us remember too that there are scads of brands with Swiss-made mechanical/automatic movements that are also pretty darn good. We chose these brands, after all. Me, mostly because my first Swiss watch was a vintage Omega, and I kept with them since. I now have 11 of them that I rotate through.

This is definitely my nicest one. 😀

And I I love that watch. My “nicest” watch (read cost, build quality, complications, reputation) is a JLC, but it’s not my favorite. My stepfather wore a Speedmaster and my parents gifted me a Speedy Pro for my high school graduation. That, combined with my vivid memories of watching the Apollo launches and the 1969 moon landing, have made Omega a brand that is near and dear to my heart. I have a dozen Omegas in my collection, all vintage except one, and I’ll always own at least one Speedmaster.
 
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How many threads on the same topic are needed?
 
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How many threads on the same topic are needed?
It’s like watching those dashcam videos of nasty car wrecks…they are all basically the same but we keep watching them.
 
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How many threads on the same topic are needed?
Well …this started with my personal experience actually transacting business at a local Rolex AD … it’s now drifted into pictures of Speedmasters…….
 
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Well …this started with my personal experience actually transacting business at a local Rolex AD … it’s now drifted into pictures of Speedmasters…….
Well, let’s just take it completely off the rails then, shall we
 
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Well, let’s just take it completely off the rails then, shall we

Just remember no cats until after the 3rd page😉

and….
I’m pretty sure the next post will be page 4 😗