Watch stolen owner stabbed

Lurk41 · Feb 7, 2020

@pseikotick
He said "tendon". Not lethal but you cannot move your hand if cut.
He did not said which arm it was but my guess would be the one with the watch, and they were targetting the leather strap. They missed it and cut his arm deeply instead, then had to "fight" a bit the injured man to get the watch off his wrist

Dan S · Feb 7, 2020

pseikotick
Does anyone else find it interesting that any kind of hooligans would have gotten a close enough look at his watch to have an idea of its value?

From a distance they thought it was a Rolex. That's why they dropped it once they got a closer look. "What the heck is this?"

Professor · Feb 7, 2020

Uniqez
It looked like they dropped the watch though:

Am I looking at it wrong?

Its explained in the text of other articles. They dropped another watch while running from the scene. Perhaps a cheap watch dropped as a decoy to slow down the victim in pursuit.
He likely thought they had dropped his watch so he grabbed it up before realizing the switch.
The victim turned that watch over to the police so they could check it for clues, fingerprints and the like.
The Expensive stolen watch is visible in a screen cap in the hand of one of the thieves as he runs away.

killer67 · Feb 7, 2020

Alex87
Good luck selling it.

These guys ain’t amateurs

nonuffinkbloke · Feb 7, 2020

Engee
Apart from a few pockets it's perfectly safe. There's always been gang violence and there's always been violence against persons.

I think we'll have to disagree mate. 😀

Gang violence? Yes, but not anywhere near the scale it is now.

Violence against the person? Depends where you are, and who you are as to how vulnerable you might be? They are not "pockets". They are whole boroughs.

We know which ones they are. The South London Estate I grew up on is no longer a safe place, particularly at night. It was safe when I was a kid.

Because I no longer live there, but visit often, I notice the difference. I now live in a village on the coast in Dorset. I've been here 7 years. Crime rate is zero. I have not heard of a single crime in 7 years!

My South American wife, moved here from Peru and lived in Acton for 20 years. She thought it was nice. I said "darling, it's a shite hole!... you've just got used to it. Let me move you down to Dorset." I did, and she can now see what a 'shite hole' Acton is.😀

I suppose it's all relative???😕

Rochete · Feb 7, 2020

Faz
For sure if a crime was committed it must be an "illegal". Same narrative in the states yet....

"The criminal conviction and arrest rates for immigrants were well below those of native-born Americans," Cato's Alex Nowrasteh wrote.

According to the libertarian think tank's analysis, the rate per 100,000 residents in each subpopulation was 899 for undocumented immigrants, 611 for legal immigrants and 1,797 for native-born Americans."

I think UK situation is probably closer to my country, Spain. Here foreigners (legal and illegal) make for around* 30% of prisons inmates, while legal foreigners make only around** 10% of total population, plus estimated 1% illegal. Figures for Catalonia region (cap. Barcelona) where I live were 43% and 13% respectively in 2017. Obvious conclusions.

In central Barcelona there are gangs of 'unacompanied minors' (underage illegal inmigrants from N. Africa) roaming freely assaulting tourists on the streets to take their cells, watches, whatever. They are legally irresponsible, not included in the prison figures given above.

* between 29 and 36 in the last 15 yrs.
** between 7 and 12 in the last 15 yrs.
Official gov. data.

Nobel Prize · Feb 7, 2020

it looks to me like they knew exactly what they where stealing. Too much of a coincidence that they would score such a gem and not many people can recognize a watch of that value, and too much effort for a random hit.

As for the police caring for a watch....maybe not, but they certainly care for 115000 pound valued asset.

Rochete · Feb 7, 2020

chunkythebulldog
The first assumption on this thread was that it must be “soccer hooligans” a ridiculous statement based on no facts whatsoever. No football hooligan would be seen dead in those clothes. The only people that wear clothes from the 90’s are usually Syrian, Iraqi, Afghani migrants or as the press refers to them Mediterranean looking.

Iraq and Afganistan, just in the middle of mediterranean sea LoL

Nobel Prize · Feb 7, 2020

Dedalus05
Honestly, I would dream of blaming the victim. My animus is mostly classism.

But I am being flippant. The guy seems decent enough (has a nice friendly face anyway). And it seems there has been at least 2 watch-theft related murders in London in the last couple of years.

If you're going to blame him for anything blame him for wearing that shirt!

Engee · Feb 7, 2020

nonuffinkbloke
I think we'll have to disagree mate. 😀

Gang violence? Yes, but not anywhere near the scale it is now.

Violence against the person? Depends where you are, and who you are as to how vulnerable you might be? They are not "pockets". They are whole boroughs.

We know which ones they are. The South London Estate I grew up on is no longer a safe place, particularly at night. It was safe when I was a kid.

Because I no longer live there, but visit often, I notice the difference. I now live in a village on the coast in Dorset. I've been here 7 years. Crime rate is zero. I have not heard of a single crime in 7 years!

My South American wife, moved here from Peru and lived in Acton for 20 years. She thought it was nice. I said "darling, it's a shite hole!... you've just got used to it. Let me move you down to Dorset." I did, and she can now see what a 'shite hole' Acton is.😀

I suppose it's all relative???😕

Name a whole borough that is unsafe to live in. Seriously, just look at the crime stats. Of course there’s less crime in some sleepy village on the Dorset coast. You’re comparing a sleepy village with one of the biggest cities in the world.

Rochete · Feb 7, 2020

More 2017 Spain gov. data:

Foreigners: 10.1% total pop., 23.1% total crimes.

ICONO · Feb 7, 2020

Any metropolitan City is dangerous…

if you eschew, the wisdom of not advertising your wealth …then you run the risk, of being a victim

I have carried 3/4 million pounds worth of jewellery, ( inc platinum VC’s ), in a cheap plastic Air France flight bag in the past…on public transport…from London, back to my Studios, in Manchester …no problem whatsoever

Fly under the radar…you are as safe, as houses…fly above the radar, and you just imperil yourself

Dan S · Feb 7, 2020

ICONO
Any metropolitan City is dangerous…

if you eschew, the wisdom of not advertising your wealth …then you run the risk, of being a victim

I have carried 3/4 million pounds worth of jewellery, ( inc platinum VC’s ), in a cheap plastic Air France flight bag in the past…on public transport…from London, back to my Studios, in Manchester …no problem whatsoever

Fly under the radar…you are a safe as houses…fly above the radar, and you just imperil yourself

Yes, I think we can find some middle ground where we avoid blaming the victim, but at the same time recognize that there is such a thing as common sense.

Riviera Paradise · Feb 7, 2020

I was educated in London and lived in Kensington (Kelso Place W8) during the 80s/90s. From what I recall, my main security concern during that period was the IRA. You could get mugged in some areas of London by hooligan types but knife crime was rare. The Northern Line was a slight concern at night.

As others have stated in any large capital city there will be petty crime targeting tourists. However, in London there seems to have been an uptake in organized crime focused on specific targeting of luxury products. The concentration of wealth in specific locations is clearly one of the drivers.

If you flaunt wealth in a high-visibility location where wealthy people congregate and then amble along a public street...well it is pretty obvious you will increase your chance of becoming a target. When visiting London last year I rotated an Explorer and a SM300MC and took the Tube every day. I never felt threatened.

Dan S · Feb 7, 2020

This is interesting for me to hear that safety in London has declined over the past 30-40 years. I had of course heard about various terrorist incidents, but I wasn't aware of the routine crime and violence.

I was a teenager in NYC in the 1970s, and it was really, really bad. Nearly everyone had first-hand experiences with mugging, and violent crime was ubiquitous. I don't know the statistics, but violence and crime was so widespread that it affected everyone's life daily. It is extraordinarily better today. Many parts of the city that were virtual no-man's lands in the 70s have been totally revitalized. In the 70s, the subway system was largely unsafe after dark (and pretty disgusting), now it is commonly used by a wide cross-section of the public. The change, especially for someone who moved away and only visits occasionally, is almost unbelievable. And whatever the reason for this change, it's clearly not because of an absence of immigrants ... there are plenty in New York. 😁

Please note that this is only meant as an interesting (hopefully) story and observation, not a value judgement or political statement about one country vs. another. I also hasten to add that I am not a supporter of police policies that violate civil rights, and I further understand that gentrification has serious downsides as well. My purpose was just to highlight the interesting fact that London and New York seem to have moved in opposite directions in terms of public safety.

rob#1 · Feb 7, 2020

One of the more worrying statistics is the increase in knife crime, as in this instance, seeing as it’s easy to carry a concealed blade. The current spate of knifing incidents involving young Londoners is depressing.

It’s interesting to study the boroughs of London when looking at this type of crime - Westminster has by far the highest rates, while the detection rates have dropped alarmingly: https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04304/SN04304.pdf. There have also been a number of incidents where Premier League footballers have been targeted when leaving their homes or training grounds as they generally have nice watches.

The Father · Feb 7, 2020

rob#1
One of the more worrying statistics is the increase in knife crime, as in this instance, seeing as it’s easy to carry a concealed blade. The current spate of knifing incidents involving young Londoners is depressing.

It’s interesting to study the boroughs of London when looking at this type of crime - Westminster has by far the highest rates, while the detection rates have dropped alarmingly: https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN04304/SN04304.pdf. There have also been a number of incidents where Premier League footballers have been targeted when leaving their homes or training grounds as they generally have nice watches.

interesting story from a guy named “rob”

Engee · Feb 8, 2020

2017 but gives you a good indication of how dangerous London is. London isn’t even the most dangerous city in the U.K. you’re safer here than in Manchester or Birmingham.

killer67 · Feb 8, 2020

Engee
2017 but gives you a good indication of how dangerous London is. London isn’t even the most dangerous city in the U.K. you’re safer here than in Manchester or Birmingham.

misleading because these are homicide rates only

Professor · Feb 8, 2020

Thinking on it it occurred to me that muggers of today realize that the wealthy or well to do no longer carry any large amount of cash. They carry credit cards. Stealing credit cards is not as lucrative as it used to be. Cards can be canceled quickly.
The less well off are more likely to carry cash, but not very much unless the targeted victim is observed flashing a roll or in a business that requires taking daily receipts to the bank.
The only really high dollar value item a wealthy male is likely to have on them that is easy to snatch is a quality wristwatch. Rings can be expensive but as very personal items are more identifiable by jewelers and fences don't give more than a small fraction of the retail price. Also rings are not easy to remove if the victim is still alive and conscious. The footpad might get only a few dollars for a ring worth hundreds or even thousands. The fence would either break the jewelry down for the stones and precious metals or have to keep it hidden till the heat died down. Fences don't like to handle items that have blood on them.
Jewel theft is only viable when large quantities of jewelry are stolen at one time or a known valuable piece is stolen.
High quality wrist watches are a status symbol among drug dealers. The thieves can trade one for drugs at a moment's notice without going to a fence.
The violence of recent watch robberies suggest the thieves are desperate for drugs, and likely high when committing their crimes.
If the thieves know someone willing to pay a decent price, even if still only a fraction of the value, they might turn the piece into cash quickly.

Watch stolen owner stabbed

Lurk41

Dan S

Professor

killer67

nonuffinkbloke

Rochete

Nobel Prize

Rochete

Nobel Prize

Engee

Rochete

ICONO

Dan S

Riviera Paradise

Dan S

rob#1

The Father

Engee

killer67

Professor

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