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Borbor
路this thread should be mandatory reading by anyone who is thinking about buying a vintage watch.
very educational.
and orchi's ig. lol, pure gold.
very educational.
and orchi's ig. lol, pure gold.
<walking on eggshells...> - recognizing cosmetically enhanced 1675's?
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Fost
路Just saw this on IG today ... quite impressive
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Lonestar
路馃槻
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Lonestar
路On a somewhat different note, but in the same paradigm 馃槻
http://www.yukiwatch.com/catalog/item/9060661/10345806.htm
Before you chastise me for posting: I assume this is a commonly known place for crooks, because the URL is desperately easy to find... True sharks would know already about it anyway. I read about the company on another watch forum, in a post from a while ago. I'm surprised Rolex doesn't do anything about it 馃槙 Mods feel free to delete if off-policy.
(the rest of the website is pretty enlightening, too 馃槖 what's crazy is, it's all "in the open")
http://www.yukiwatch.com/catalog/item/9060661/10345806.htm
Before you chastise me for posting: I assume this is a commonly known place for crooks, because the URL is desperately easy to find... True sharks would know already about it anyway. I read about the company on another watch forum, in a post from a while ago. I'm surprised Rolex doesn't do anything about it 馃槙 Mods feel free to delete if off-policy.
(the rest of the website is pretty enlightening, too 馃槖 what's crazy is, it's all "in the open")
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mr_yossarian
路
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mr_yossarian
路On a somewhat different note, but in the same paradigm 馃槻
Before you chastise me for posting: I assume this is a commonly known place for crooks, because the URL is desperately easy to find... True sharks would know already about it anyway. I read about the company on another watch forum, in a post from a while ago. I'm surprised Rolex doesn't do anything about it 馃槙 Mods feel free to delete if off-policy.
(the rest of the website is pretty enlightening, too 馃槖 what's crazy is, it's all "in the open")
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Philou
路On a somewhat different note, but in the same paradigm 馃槻
http://www.yukiwatch.com/catalog/item/9060661/10345806.htm
Before you chastise me for posting: I assume this is a commonly known place for crooks, because the URL is desperately easy to find... True sharks would know already about it anyway. I read about the company on another watch forum, in a post from a while ago. I'm surprised Rolex doesn't do anything about it 馃槙 Mods feel free to delete if off-policy.
(the rest of the website is pretty enlightening, too 馃槖 what's crazy is, it's all "in the open")
What a scary place... $200 for a 6263 dial !!
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t_swiss_t
路https://www.chrono24.fr/rolex/1978-gmt-master-1675--id8385101.htm
All of these watches were originally hand finished so they all look slightly different. The thickness of the chamfers also changed over the years, compare the chamfers of a 1675 with those of a 16750. The crown guards were also different.
Unpolished 1675:
16750, thinner chamfer. And look at the line on the crown guard:
The thickness of the chamfers was wide in the gilt era through around the Mark 2 matte dials and then started to become smaller through the 70's and into the 16750, as was shown in the post I'm quoting. The crown guard chamfer line moved toward the case, like in the 16750 that's pictured, as early as in 5.5m cased 1675s. Interestingly, there seems to be a good amount of overlap in the traditional 1675 crown guard chamfers and the 16750 between 5.5 and 6.0m when the 16750's take over. I haven't found a good logic to which case with which dial = crown guards A or B so I haven't put it up on my GMT site yet - gmtmaster1675.com for those interested. The site still needs some work and would love more input from you all.
Regarding cut/recut cases, it's easy to spot cases that are just recut but it can be very hard when metal has been added and the case is artificially aged. So, as always, buy the seller.
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raison_
路On a somewhat different note, but in the same paradigm 馃槻
http://www.yukiwatch.com/catalog/item/9060661/10345806.htm
Before you chastise me for posting: I assume this is a commonly known place for crooks, because the URL is desperately easy to find... True sharks would know already about it anyway. I read about the company on another watch forum, in a post from a while ago. I'm surprised Rolex doesn't do anything about it 馃槙 Mods feel free to delete if off-policy.
(the rest of the website is pretty enlightening, too 馃槖 what's crazy is, it's all "in the open")
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chows99
路Vintage prices are high now. But wait any longer, you may be priced out of the market.
What you can do is to pay market price for a excellent condition watch from a good and reputable seller. Condition is everything in Vintage. Good luck everyone.
What you can do is to pay market price for a excellent condition watch from a good and reputable seller. Condition is everything in Vintage. Good luck everyone.
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sensui
路One one hand.....it is very scary indeed and definitely a minefield. On the other, it's part of the "journey" now as it's part of the research to distinguish between fakes/frankens/incorrect watches....so when you do land that special watch, it's far more rewarding than having a dealer "grant' you the right to buy a stainless steel sports Rolex.
My advice.....condition/completeness is everything but have some common sense when going about it. AKA if you see examples that are far too good to be true (especially at pricing that is below the market and perhaps not too far below the market.....this is how they play the psychological game now with scammers since they know the too good to be true pricing raises far too much suspicion).....alarms should be going off and with the resources around the internet and guys that are really good at picking watches apart, don't be afraid to ask. There are also certain references in vintage I won't touch because I know now the fakes are too good and hard to distinguish from real (Stellas, Tiffany dials, exotic dial'ed/prototype Daytonas, etc).....aka the really good fakes are for the top top dollar stuff. There aren't anyone going through the trouble of good indistinguishable fakes for a regular matte GMT or Sub for example....and even the fake red subs/sea dwellers are easily picked apart if you know what you're looking for.
This is just my experience buying vintage the last couple of years.....and I've proactively researched my buys in terms of the watch/seller and even have my own watchmaker that's a CW21 around for the last half a century or so to help me vetting my purchases.
Conclusion, have some common sense......do your research....and don't fall for sudden too good to be true deals (because anyone these days with an old Rolex will think it's worth something either true or not, the word is out....and anything priced slightly below/at market that pops up as a barn find will be bought in minutes because there are plenty of guys that know their stuff and buy on a dime when they spot something good they can make a couple grand on). Have fun gents.
My advice.....condition/completeness is everything but have some common sense when going about it. AKA if you see examples that are far too good to be true (especially at pricing that is below the market and perhaps not too far below the market.....this is how they play the psychological game now with scammers since they know the too good to be true pricing raises far too much suspicion).....alarms should be going off and with the resources around the internet and guys that are really good at picking watches apart, don't be afraid to ask. There are also certain references in vintage I won't touch because I know now the fakes are too good and hard to distinguish from real (Stellas, Tiffany dials, exotic dial'ed/prototype Daytonas, etc).....aka the really good fakes are for the top top dollar stuff. There aren't anyone going through the trouble of good indistinguishable fakes for a regular matte GMT or Sub for example....and even the fake red subs/sea dwellers are easily picked apart if you know what you're looking for.
This is just my experience buying vintage the last couple of years.....and I've proactively researched my buys in terms of the watch/seller and even have my own watchmaker that's a CW21 around for the last half a century or so to help me vetting my purchases.
Conclusion, have some common sense......do your research....and don't fall for sudden too good to be true deals (because anyone these days with an old Rolex will think it's worth something either true or not, the word is out....and anything priced slightly below/at market that pops up as a barn find will be bought in minutes because there are plenty of guys that know their stuff and buy on a dime when they spot something good they can make a couple grand on). Have fun gents.
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marco
路My polished 1675...a recut would do wonders, but I am holding off.
I try to ignore it but it niggles, I bought it from the original owner so that helps my concern.
I think to rectify this case would be prohibitive $ wise?
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marco
路I'm perfectly happy with a nice, honest, period correct GMT. Not going to go crazy and on a foolish hunt to find an 'unpolished' watch, I buy what I like and enjoy wearing it. None of these watches are going to be perfect after 30-40 years of use, which is what's most attractive to me. Would I enjoy a NOS 1675? Probably a cool watch to own, but not one to wear, so where is the enjoyment in that? I have NOS watches in my collection, they are an enigma, a test in ones will power.
This GMT brings me the most pleasure to wear on weekends. It's an honest '72, MK2 and most notably, its been POLISHED....which doesn't bother me one bit.
Nice looking piece btw.
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djmusicman
路I have a 71 1675 in the same condition, just over polilshed.
I try to ignore it but it niggles, I bought it from the original owner so that helps my concern.
I think to rectify this case would be prohibitive $ wise?
Measure the lug length tip to tip. Spec should be 47.5mm, a restorer would would have to weld metal to the top and sides of the lugs before the recut for a good restoration. LAWW just recut which leaves your with a bevel but thin lugs.
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watchknut
路I have a 71 1675 in the same condition, just over polilshed.
I try to ignore it but it niggles, I bought it from the original owner so that helps my concern.
I think to rectify this case would be prohibitive $ wise?
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ATWG
路There isn鈥檛 much metal left on your case, the lug holes are so close to the edge. If you decide to refinish, metal would need to be added. If it bothers you, go for it, I鈥檇 leave it as is and enjoy the watch. Remember, a watch is original only once.
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mgarelik
路My dad and grandfather had matching 1675s ('65, 66). My dad wore his for 30 years. Serviced by Rolex a couple times...and has only minimal and soft chamfers. The other one sat in a box from 1974 when my grandfather passed until the late '90s when I began to wear it. RSC serviced it then. Really has no chamfers, but is sharp from the RSC finish.
It seems like many of these refinishes make the chamfers larger than they ever were to meet the market demand. I know mine are honest at least.
It seems like many of these refinishes make the chamfers larger than they ever were to meet the market demand. I know mine are honest at least.
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ATWG
路My dad and grandfather had matching 1675s ('65, 66). My dad wore his for 30 years. Serviced by Rolex a couple times...and has only minimal and soft chamfers. The other one sat in a box from 1974 when my grandfather passed until the late '90s when I began to wear it. RSC serviced it then. Really has no chamfers, but is sharp from the RSC finish.
It seems like many of these refinishes make the chamfers larger than they ever were to meet the market demand. I know mine are honest at least.
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