Vaccinated roll-call

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Unfortunately, as you probably know, the South African variant isn't limited to that country. It's everywhere now. From a high-level view, what this really suggests is that we will probably be getting COVID vaccinations on a regular basis for the rest of our lives, to keep pace with various mutations.

And the mutations are one issue with the "let it run it's course and protect the vulnerable" method of handling this. Yes, most people who get it have mild symptoms, but each new case is another opportunity for a mutation that won't end well. Lots of mutations are not significant, but as the numbers go up, the chances of one that is more virulent or more deadly goes up. Mutations may make different people vulnerable in the future, so who's to say that one might not take the H1N1 route, and affect younger people more.

We are in a race to get enough people vaccinated, and keep the cases down so we don't get really some ugly mutations...seems we are losing that race right now...
 
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How many of our members have got the jab?

My long-term partner, at the clinic today for cancer treatment, got her first dose by chance since she hadn't called ahead to secure it. The nurse found a dose right when we arrived, but then gave it to someone else. She returned an hour later having found another. I'm not a patient at that clinic/hospital, so they wouldn't give it to me as her carer. Mom & Dad, over 75, have each had at least the first dose, somehow arranged through their doctor. Nobody else in my family. I've signed up with the county health service as well as two local hospitals. I qualify to skip the line a little bit thanks to preexisting condition but, as my primary doctor is in a private clinic, I'm not likely to get a call until it's open to the public. I saw my doctor last week for a routine physical and he said as much. I suppose I could try switching doctors, but it may take just as long to get a first appointment with him and go through the process.

I don't know about y'all, but I find the whole process of vaccine queuing rather confusing. I mean, I understand the different phases and priority groups that have been established, but where's the actual line to stand in? As near as I can tell, there are 6 "vaccine hubs" in Houston, at least 10 other providers, and dozens of little community clinics that have been allocated some vaccine. There was a big event at the local football stadium a few weeks back where they vaccinated the first 40,000 people to show up or something like that. Otherwise, everything else is "unavailable, check back later". Are we just supposed to hit refresh on a dozen different websites a day until we're the 104th caller with the phrase that pays?
Moderna, next jab in 2 weeks
 
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And the mutations are one issue with the "let it run it's course and protect the vulnerable" method of handling this. Yes, most people who get it have mild symptoms, but each new case is another opportunity for a mutation that won't end well. Lots of mutations are not significant, but as the numbers go up, the chances of one that is more virulent or more deadly goes up. Mutations may make different people vulnerable in the future, so who's to say that one might not take the H1N1 route, and affect younger people more.

We are in a race to get enough people vaccinated, and keep the cases down so we don't get really some ugly mutations...seems we are losing that race right now...
And that’s it really!! We can think on the moment or think ahead of the moment!
 
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I work for a care provider and visit our care homes regularly and had the jab 3 weeks ago. My wife is a community nurse and had hers before me. My daughter works for a doctors surgery and has just had hers. Only my son left and at 18 it will be a while.

My wife and I had the Pfizer vaccine with no ill effects other than sore arm. My daughter had the Astra Zenica and was quite I'll with flu like symptoms for 24 hours but is fine now.

My wife, through the NHS, and I, working for a private charity, had a similar process for booking our slots. We were provided a link and had to book a location, date and time from those available on line. Turn up, fill in a form and all done in about half an hour.

The surgery where my daughter works were notified how many doses they would be getting and when and then they rang every member of the relevant groups on their books and arranged a time for them to come in, they completed all the paperwork beforehand so the patient just had to come in and give their name. It has been rewarding for her to see all these vulnerable people who have hardly ventured out for the last year come in and go away happy. I think the uptake has been pretty much 100%.

As far as the care homes in the company I work for, the residents and those staff on shift have been vaccinated by teams visiting the homes, some have been from the military I believe. The uptake among the residents had been very high but among the staff, while still high, I think we have had refusals or staff being slow to arrange their vaccinations which surprises me. There have been reports of some staff being quite ill with flu like symptoms for 24 hours but these seem rare and pass quickly.

Thanks. Carl.
 
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Very odd it’s actually a drive through jab. This is my second dose went to the first place where I had my appointment they only had Pfizer so they sent me to another town that has Moderna. Apparently u sit in your car while they jab you. Let’s see how this goes
 
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Very odd it’s actually a drive through jab. This is my second dose went to the first place where I had my appointment they only had Pfizer so they sent me to another town that has Moderna. Apparently u sit in your car while they jab you. Let’s see how this goes

Is this the very first wrist shot while waiting in line for a vaccine?
 
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Is this the very first wrist shot while waiting in line for a vaccine?
Ha ha well I’m done now and yup, they inject you as you sit in ur car, then you drive to another spot and wait for reactions for 15 minutes. Once again I’m getting vertigo which was my only side effect when I got my first dose. It’s unpleasant but passes in a day so I’ll just sit and deal with it. The nurse who injected me said she had the same thing. I’m not trying to scare anyone as I can honestly say most everyone I work with who got the shot reported nothing other than a sore arm.
 
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In the category of intuitions being contrary to reality:


America's vaccine rollout has been among the best in the world



The big picture: The U.S. has carried out more vaccinations than any country in the world, and given a first dose to a higher percentage of its population (12%) than all but five countries: Israel, the Seychelles, the UAE, the U.K. and Bahrain. In fact, the U.S. is distributing doses three times as quickly as the EU, adjusted for population, and nearly five times as quickly as Canada.

Yes, but: The U.S. has secured world-leading vaccine supplies, but been somewhat less successful at translating them into actual vaccinations.

The bottom line: America’s vaccine rollout has been imperfect, unequal, and at times deeply frustrating. But look around the world and it’s clear that it could be going a whole lot worse.“

 
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In the category of intuitions being contrary to reality:


America's vaccine rollout has been among the best in the world



The big picture: The U.S. has carried out more vaccinations than any country in the world, and given a first dose to a higher percentage of its population (12%) than all but five countries: Israel, the Seychelles, the UAE, the U.K. and Bahrain. In fact, the U.S. is distributing doses three times as quickly as the EU, adjusted for population, and nearly five times as quickly as Canada.

Yes, but: The U.S. has secured world-leading vaccine supplies, but been somewhat less successful at translating them into actual vaccinations.

The bottom line: America’s vaccine rollout has been imperfect, unequal, and at times deeply frustrating. But look around the world and it’s clear that it could be going a whole lot worse.“


Looking at this and equating it to my personal situation here in Oregon, it seems hard to argue that the #1problem is a complete lack of transparency in the entire process
 
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Looking at this and equating it to my personal situation here in Oregon, it seems hard to argue that the #1problem is a complete lack of transparency in the entire process

definitely not vouching for the headline, so much as injecting some counter-intuitive info
 
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In the category of intuitions being contrary to reality:


America's vaccine rollout has been among the best in the world



The big picture: The U.S. has carried out more vaccinations than any country in the world, and given a first dose to a higher percentage of its population (12%) than all but five countries: Israel, the Seychelles, the UAE, the U.K. and Bahrain. In fact, the U.S. is distributing doses three times as quickly as the EU, adjusted for population, and nearly five times as quickly as Canada.

Yes, but: The U.S. has secured world-leading vaccine supplies, but been somewhat less successful at translating them into actual vaccinations.

The bottom line: America’s vaccine rollout has been imperfect, unequal, and at times deeply frustrating. But look around the world and it’s clear that it could be going a whole lot worse.“

If the intent is to encourage folks to hang on because help is on the way, then thanks for the encouragement. It is indeed trying.

If the intent is a sort of veiled American exceptionalism, this really misses the mark.
 
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And the mutations are one issue with the "let it run it's course and protect the vulnerable" method of handling this. Yes, most people who get it have mild symptoms, but each new case is another opportunity for a mutation that won't end well. Lots of mutations are not significant, but as the numbers go up, the chances of one that is more virulent or more deadly goes up. Mutations may make different people vulnerable in the future, so who's to say that one might not take the H1N1 route, and affect younger people more.

We are in a race to get enough people vaccinated, and keep the cases down so we don't get really some ugly mutations...seems we are losing that race right now...
Exactly right.
 
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If the intent is a sort of veiled American exceptionalism, this really misses the mark.


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A good portion of this thread, including from me, was critiquing the apparent sh*tshow here in the states.

So as my lead-in suggested:

In the category of intuitions being contrary to reality:

Just offering a contrary view I came across, and the possibility that sometimes intuitions/feelings can be contrary to reality - or, if nothing else, things could be even worse.
 
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👎

A good portion of this thread, including from me, was critiquing the apparent sh*tshow here in the states.

So as my lead-in suggested:



Just offering a contrary view I came across, and the possibility that sometimes intuitions/feelings can be contrary to reality - or, if nothing else, things could be even worse.

I felt that was plain from the jump
 
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Interesting that dose #2 is well under way. In England, dose 1 is surging ahead, but there's a very long wait for the second, I think more than the World Health Org recommends. Any views - from any part of the world - on that? (Apart from, most people outside 1st world nations should be so fortunate, which is totally understood.)
 
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Interesting that dose #2 is well under way. In England, dose 1 is surging ahead, but there's a very long wait for the second, I think more than the World Health Org recommends. Any views - from any part of the world - on that? (Apart from, most people outside 1st world nations should be so fortunate, which is totally understood.)

reasearch shows a delay in second dose does not effect efficacy.

that being said getting people the second dose should be a priority over first doses as providing immunity to people is more important then starting the process with someone else.
 
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that being said getting people the second dose should be a priority over first doses as providing immunity to people is more important then starting the process with someone else.

this is contrary to a view widely held by a lot of people/countries

Not to say either side is right, but instead to point out there are two camps of differing (expert) opinion on this.

Because first dose does provide some immunity, the debate comes down to (A) prioritize giving a lot of people some immunity, vs (B) prioritize giving some people a lot of immunity.

Of course reality is more nuanced, as the right answer probably involves simultaneously prioritizing giving the most at risk a lot of immunity while the for the rest of the population giving more people some immunity?

I don’t have a view; my wife (a physician) has the view noted above
 
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I think Dr C has put it very well, nuances and all. And then there are other things to consider, like when to start exporting surpluses, and emerging suggestions that the shots maybe even reduce transmission. Thank heavens for experts coming back in fashion...
 
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this is contrary to a view widely held by a lot of people/countries

Not to say either side is right, but instead to point out there are two camps of differing (expert) opinion on this.

Because first dose does provide some immunity, the debate comes down to (A) prioritize giving a lot of people some immunity, vs (B) prioritize giving some people a lot of immunity.

Of course reality is more nuanced, as the right answer probably involves simultaneously prioritizing giving the most at risk a lot of immunity while the for the rest of the population giving more people some immunity?

I don’t have a view; my wife (a physician) has the view noted above

my understanding is an initial dose without the second was proven to not convey much immunity, hence why rollouts are focused more on making sure the second dose is administered and not just first dosing all people.

hence the Johnson and Johnson is 86% effective but stops all severe infections with one dose. They are testing the efficacy of the 2nd dose currently but are getting ready to rollout with 1 dose. Pfiezer and Moderna seem to not be nearly as effective as the J&J with one dose.
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