Vaccinated roll-call

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I actually think, based on the rate of vaccination here, that the take IS very good. In fact as i speak to other business owners in the industry their experience is similar to mine. About 80% of my team is getting the vaccine. Some others cannot take it because their departments are not released yet (only F&B and Janitorial) and a few say no, or "need to think more about it" One of the F&B teams in another venue reports 2/3 scheduled to vaccinate and 1/3 opting out or thinking about it.

There are a lot or conspiracies, doubts and distrust when it comes to Vaccines in the USA. Particularly when it comes to racial minorities and economic disenfranchised communities (of any race). There is a distrust based on historical factors.

There is also, prior to the pandemic, a specific movement against vaccinations (Small pox, etc) because of the claims of these vaccines contributing to autism and other developmental issues in children. These fringe movements resonate strongly with communities that are not bound to trust the government blindly, specially when the vaccine has been produced so fast.

Hell, I have a friend, who is wealthy, white and educated and just told us yesterday that the vaccine does not work and we just injected ourselves with a cocktail of Ebola and HIV.

But, to your point, I agree these are, fortunately, a minority for now. Not a small minority though.

Dan S

Surveys in the US are showing a disturbingly high fraction of people who say they will not take the vaccine.

Gav1967

Scary and really worrying !

cvalue13

Perhaps we could supply data from surveys in the U.S. of people who do not “believe” in evolution, and just let our foreign friends draw their own conclusions?

Davidt

I'm sure I read recently that vaccine uptake in the U.K. Had increased from 70% at the start of Jan to around 85% by the start of Feb. I can't find the article now though.

I'm surprised (possibly naively) about the difficulties eligible people are having obtaining vaccines in other countries. Why introduce the hassle, logistics and potential bias of people having to book a vaccination slot themselves or turn up at a vaccination centre. In the U.K. you wait for your healthcare provider (NHS) to contact you with your allocated slot (I assume the nutters decline it as this stage if they so desire). It just seems to add an unnecessary level of complexity in asking people to book their own. Your either eligible at a given time and in the queue or you're not.

Personally, I'm in my 30's, no health issues so will be at the bottom of the pile. My partner works in accounts for a private ambulance company and is having the jab next week as all the employees at her company are getting it. She discussed declining the offer until her turn came around via the NHS so others in more vulnerable groups could get it first and was told if she wanted to decline it she had to sign various forms and explain to her boss why she didn't want it. In the end she's accepted.

Gav1967

Yes I thought that might be what was meant.

All the medical advice I have seen suggests it is best to get the vaccination anyway.

Wetworks

Yes I had Covid and have tested for antibodies. While you may have seen suggestions that it is best to get the vaccine anyway, none of I'm aware of are based on science.

If you (figurative) believe that this vaccine will be successful, yet have some sort of disconnect about naturally acquired immunity, I'll wager you do not have a firm grasp of the science of vaccines/immunology, or something else.

I've banged this drum for months, finally there are studies backing it up, but anyone with a basic memory of what they learned in medical training knew that it was likely people who were sick and recovered would likely have a robust immune response.

cvalue13

I was attempting to apologize to you for my incorrect/confusing use 😉

KeithS

The hospital where I work has allowed healthcare workers to opt into a study that checks for antibodies following a confirmed COVID infection. While the final results are still pending, I know that two of my co-residents who had confirmed infections (positive PCR test + symptoms) were negative for antibodies at 6 months. Studies out of Korea and Australia report similar findings. I'm not sure I would turn down the vaccine despite having had a COVID infection in the past.

Wetworks

Yes I had Covid and have tested for antibodies. While you may have seen suggestions that it is best to get the vaccine anyway, none of I'm aware of are based on science.

If you (figurative) believe that this vaccine will be successful, yet have some sort of disconnect about naturally acquired immunity, I'll wager you do not have a firm grasp of the science of vaccines/immunology, or something else.

I've banged this drum for months, finally there are studies backing it up, but anyone with a basic memory of what they learned in medical training knew that it was likely people who were sick and recovered would likely have a robust immune response.

Dan S

The CDC recommends that people who were infected get vaccinated. You may not agree with this science (and perhaps you are an immunologist), but this is the recommendation by the official scientific agency in the US.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/faq.html

Gav1967

beat me to it 👍

Nobel Prize

It’s also two different approaches.

Of course, if you contract COVID, you carry antibodies for the specific strain of COVID you have Contracted. BUT, not all the vaccines are based on antibody to the COVID virus. I think J&J is ( not sure) but Moderna and Pfizer for example don’t carry any COVID within the vaccines. They are targeting the proteins that help the virus assimilate into your body, not the virus itself. ( simplifying here) . So the virus is not able to get into your sistem, or not to fully integrate into your system. This is how my doctor explained it to me. That’s why these vaccines are effective against several strains.

another way to see it. Put a virus inside of a car. A normal vaccine treats the virus inside the car.... these type of vaccines target the car and traffic patterns so the virus doesn’t arrive to it’s destination.

So I would take it. Mind you, you’re right, you do have antibodies and a lesser chance of contracting the same strain again. But, what about the other strains?

BlackTalon

My mom (77) was a day away from getting hers where the entity (older folks community) emailed her and indicated they ran out of vaccine and were unsure when they would be resupplied. She then went online to sign up with her county, and as 68k down the list. They were doing about 7k/ week. Yesterday morning (2 weeks later) she got a call telling her to head on down to get her first dose. They had her go to Texas Motor Speedway, where they had 16 drive-through lanes open. She made it through with only a short wait, and got an appointment card for the second dose.

When I talked to her yesterday afternoon she indicated she only got vaccinated so she can come visit us here and in the DC area and see my son. Her reasoning was she rarely gets sick, has never had the flu, never gets shots/ vaccinations, and is great health. Of course that made me knock my head into the wall a few times. I reminded her that she had, in fact, received several vaccinations when she was a baby/ toddler, and they helped prevent her from getting a serious illness when she was a kid. I don't know what the heck they feed people in that part of Texas, but she's only lived there ~3 years now and it seems to have impacted her ability to think 🤨

My dad is 78, and is scheduled to get his first shot in 2 weeks. He is a DC resident. It took him a few weeks of trying to finally get on the list.

I live right outside of DC, and my 'city' is only getting ~1,700 doses/ week. If the supply does not ramp up it will be 3 more months until Group 1B is complete. I am sure it will be summertime before my wife and I can get vaccinated.