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Vaccinated roll-call
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tyrantlizardrex
·I am astounded by thought of comply or else from all the learned contributors here.
Why?
The world we live in is filled with “comply or else” situations. Failure to comply has consequences. Sometimes terminal ones.
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guaranteed.rohu
·I am astounded by thought of comply or else from all the learned contributors here.
Nah but seriously, there's a pretty interesting phenomenon it seems, particularly in the US (looking in from the outside) where covid, mask wearing, vaccines is heavily politicised. Statistically you are more likely to be struck by lightning that to get a blod clot or some of the deadly health complications from vaccines. I agree that questioning the govt. and advice is always good, to not swallow whatever you're fed - however it's hard to build a rational argument for not getting vaccinated, except that it feels good to feel a bit 'QAnon-woke'.
I agree with some of the other statements, vaccinations/mask wearing is not disimilar to something like... speeding on the highway; probably nothing will go wrong, but you are not only risking your own life, but the life of others. Where does freedom start and harm end? Are people who are anti-vaxxers or anti-vaccine-passport also thinking that they should have the freedom to drive however fast they want to? Does it bother them that they're forced to contribute taxes to local police, fireman, libraries, schools, without any say in the matter?
Just got my AZ vaccine yesterday, 1st one, here in Aus, some not-great complications overnight, but glad I got in.
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jsducote
·Just got my AZ vaccine yesterday, 1st one, here in Aus, some not-great complications overnight, but glad I got in.
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pdxleaf
··"I cut it TWICE and it's still short!"
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The Father
·You and I haven't met in person but share similar interests, including the pet owners thread. I'm going to respond but I want to remain friendly and respectful, which can be lost in text.
From my perspective, it isn't the government stripping away individual rights or liberties. It's individuals willing to relinguish some liberty for responsibility to the greater good.
This isn't farfetched or unique in history. It usually happens in times of war. It also tends to be our finest hours, when people sacrifice for the greater good.
I don't imply that you are a person who is selfish or who does not sacrifice in many ways that i don't know of for your friends and family. It's this sentiment of sacrifice for our towns during floods, forest fires, earthquakes and yes, pandemics that i think of when i think everyone can safely be vaccinated or wear masks.
If this is loss of liberty, it is for the best of reasons.
I am not trying to change your mind but hope that you can appreciate that the reasons for wanting everyone to be compelled to be vaccinated come from a good place. I confess to being disheartened by so many of my fellow citizens who refuse to vaccinate because they feel it is giving into authoritarianism. As veteran, it bothers me a little when people say thanks for your service. I don't need or want thanks. I did it voluntarily and was proud to serve. I don't understand why citizens don't feel the same willingness to sacrifice a small part of their liberty to protect their communities.
I hope this was respectful and honest, as that was my intent.
Dave
Everything you mentioned is exactly correct. I got the vaccine. My wife won’t get it because the long term effects are unknown. By the way, on my paid vacations to fabulous foreign countries I tell people I did nothin.
My thrust in commenting is that those in power look at what they can do in this situation and ponder “hmmmm, if the government can do this, mandate that, close this, for good of the citizens what can be our next move”
Once this pandemic is over at some point government needs to recede back to where it belongs.
Governments are not always altruistic in their motives.
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Faz
·Anti maskers and anti vaxxers mostly overlap on a Venn diagram. Their ideologies are based on arrogance and entitlement. They are the WORST at following public health guidelines, in my experience, because they don't give a shit about other people. They make decisions and act based on purely selfish motives. They won't stay home. They won't suck it up.
I'm pleased to share that I have been fully vaxxed. I received the Astra Zeneca as a first dose and Moderna as my second dose. A no brainer.
I'd like to make a few comments with regards to what I feel, is a duty towards humanity, to protect oneself and all around us, from this Virus. Vaccination is certainly the most effective way.
I have no doubt, the mess we're in is due to the politicization of the pandemic, social media (the main vector for disinformation) and the twisted interpretations of freedom. As many know, I'm a long haul trucker. I travel weekly cross border to the USA. Mostly in states where people's individual freedoms thwart social freedom. During the height of the pandemic, I avoided any place, including truck stops, where people ( mostly unmasked for the longest time) hanged out. Mask requirements and social distancing in truck stops as well as many businesses, were ignored up until things got so bad, I suspect many finally knew somebody who got sick or even died. Masks were finally being worn by most I noticed.
When it was announced that mask mandates no longer applied to FULLY vaxxed individuals, I kid you not, not more than a few days later, masks were gone! Miraculously everyone was vaxxed??? Ya right....The thing was just about to be under control. Stupidity struck. The harsh comments @Doc Savage made are absolutely on point. The consequences to impose your "individual freedom" to be reckless, i.e, lie about your vaccination status, drop the mask and crowd everyone's personal space, requires harsh measures from responsible businesses to protect everyone against irresponsibility, recklessness and crass selfishness. One thing hasn't changed since humanity began. Decent responsible people will always pay for the massive amount of idiots that roam our planet.
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Bizcut1
·Frankly, I am embarrassed for our country.
The turning away from science and facts has been going on for some time now.
We all will pay the price and 100 years from now historians will shake their heads.
The turning away from science and facts has been going on for some time now.
We all will pay the price and 100 years from now historians will shake their heads.
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wagudc
·Is it just me or is it getting a little tense in here? How about a watch picture? We can all agree on that, correct?
Please everyone try to be safe, live your life in the best way possible, and try to be civil. We can disagree and still remain friends. 😀
Please everyone try to be safe, live your life in the best way possible, and try to be civil. We can disagree and still remain friends. 😀
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mrbreen
·Is it just me or is it getting a little tense in here? How about a watch picture? We can all agree on that, correct?
Please everyone try to be safe, live your life in the best way possible, and try to be civil. We can disagree and still remain friends. 😀
I’ll add a note of positivity. I live in Madison, WI which has a metro area of about 500k and has a vaccination rate north of 70%. The Delta variant is by far the dominant strain and cases have increased somewhat alarmingly in the past couple months. That said, hospitalizations remain low and there have been zero (yes zero) deaths for the past several months. People have emerged from their homes, local businesses have seen incomes return to pre-pandemic levels, and I’ve noticed a sense of communal ease and conviviality that’s been long missed.
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ChrisN
·Thanks for the reply - based on current data do you see any age limit required or is it a priority to vaccinate all ages including the very young.
Chris Whitty (England CMO) appears to have a M.Sc. in epidemiology.
ChrisN (me) has a M.Sc. in aerospace design and engineering.
I doubt Chris Whitty would challenge me on whether a new aircraft design is safe to fly and carry passengers. If he did, I would laugh uproariously.
In the same way, I would assume he would mock me greatly if I challenged him on who should be vaccinated and why. He appears to be more placid than me so might be kinder, though. I think that the advice at the moment is based on a lot of data that we don't see so, you have to hope that the SAGE committee have taken every aspect into account.
To be fair, I don't agree with vaccine passports to visit an event as we have a 90% take up among adults. If we are not safe when the 90% are fully vaccinated, then when will we be? Perhaps it should be 93% but, I don't know. and follow the CMO advice.
On 19th July, virtually all restrictions were lifted and I have gone back to my normal life, as close as I can. I have no chronic illnesses that should make me any more vulnerable than anyone else in the 60-70 age bracket. I am not convinced about "face covering" effectiveness below FFP3 but, I'm happy when I meet new people to ask them if they want me to put something on or keep my distance. At the moment, I would say it is one in five (possibly one in ten) who ask but, we are in the country and life is not the same as the cities.
I can imagine that you would have concerns if you have young children, though. It must be hard if you feel that the vaccine long term effects are unknown.
Good luck, Chris
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Peemacgee
··Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungersA bit of welcome news
Age restrictions on AstraZeneca shot have ended reports of rare clots - UK scientists
No new cases of a rare and severe blood clots following vaccination with AstraZeneca's COVID shot have been reported in Britain in recent weeks after a decision to restrict its use in under-40s, British scientists said on Wednesday.
https://apple.news/AzHiVRV8FRq6OmW5X3eX4SA
Age restrictions on AstraZeneca shot have ended reports of rare clots - UK scientists
No new cases of a rare and severe blood clots following vaccination with AstraZeneca's COVID shot have been reported in Britain in recent weeks after a decision to restrict its use in under-40s, British scientists said on Wednesday.
https://apple.news/AzHiVRV8FRq6OmW5X3eX4SA
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gatorcpa
··ΩF InvestiGatorThis anti-vaxx Leftist group is just as militant if not more so than the right wingers.
The “straw man” in your argument is you claim everything is “fact”.
My opinion is that no one knows enough facts about this disease to be able to make anything more than an educated guess. This includes doctors who specialize in epidemiology, because this is something they haven’t seen before either. Their guesses are likely more educated than mine, but even the doctors have a lack of consensus about how to manage this pandemic.
Guesses (even very educated ones) are not facts and shouldn’t be presented as such.
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time flies
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The Father
·Flew for the first time in 10 years
wasn’t that fun
love the mask
wasn’t that fun
love the mask
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Davidt
·Just checking back in - nearly a month since my second dose of Moderna, and I have still not turned into the hulk, grown gills, or acquired the ability to turn lead into gold.
Very disappointed.
Any side effects? I also had moderna but don’t know anyone else who’s had it.
Aside from the sore arm I had no issues with the first jab but my second a week or so ago made me feel horrendous the next day.
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Togri v. 2.0
··Wow! Custom title... coolJust got my second jab in the arm of Pfizer today. No side effects yet besides a slightly sore shoulder 👍
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wagudc
·Well said. And dibs! 😀
I’ll add a note of positivity. I live in Madison, WI which has a metro area of about 500k and has a vaccination rate north of 70%. The Delta variant is by far the dominant strain and cases have increased somewhat alarmingly in the past couple months. That said, hospitalizations remain low and there have been zero (yes zero) deaths for the past several months. People have emerged from their homes, local businesses have seen incomes return to pre-pandemic levels, and I’ve noticed a sense of communal ease and conviviality that’s been long missed.
Dibs noted, but I doubt I will ever let it go. I wish I could say the same is true for my rural county in California. We were round about 50% vaccinated when Delta hit, and it hit hard. Apparently it scared many people. In one week 17,000 doses of the vaccine were administered in out county that has a population of ~134,000.
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tyrantlizardrex
·Any side effects? I also had moderna but don’t know anyone else who’s had it.
Aside from the sore arm I had no issues with the first jab but my second a week or so ago made me feel horrendous the next day.
I had flu like symptoms for about 36hours, ran a fever, sore joints, tightness in the chest, and then it went away as fast as it had arrived.
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Pianotuna
·Just checking back in - nearly a month since my second dose of Moderna, and I have still not turned into the hulk, grown gills, or acquired the ability to turn lead into gold.
Very disappointed.
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