No. Their biggest problem will be mass death NOW.

Forget ‘bailing out’ this is a human struggle, if we ‘wealthy’ nations do not support our neighbours then humanity could well be screwed.

Most viruses change if they have enough hosts to carry them - viruses care not a shit if you are black, brown, yellow or white, Brit, euro or murcan.......you are just a host.

Get your shot, wear a mask. FFS.

Lecture over, anger subsiding, no offence meant, yeah you are sort of right but understating IMHO.

 

I see emotion caused you to miss the point.
The "wealthier" nations are no longer that much wealthier.
The USA would love to vaccinate everyone on the planet, but the cold equations strike deep. The only American vaccines we are sending to other countries like Canada and Mexico are those not approved by our own health services and manufactured by a third rate company with serious quality control issues. That won't change so long as we need the best for our own population. IIRC India said much the same back when they thought they had a handle on it.
India has battled famine every few decades for thousands of years. The more recent plagues of locusts are just the beginning.
There have been famines in India that killed off one third of the populations of affected regions, a much higher death rate than Covid so far.

Contrary to popular belief Europe and North America are no longer the world's pantry.
Too much land has been put to use growing low grade Soy beans to make bio fuels in the last decade.
South America has fallen into the same trap. They grow quick money crops for export to China rather than feeding their own.

Over use of ground water has collapsed aquifers in California. Agriculture there is on the ropes.
Sending enough food out to feed a Billion or so people is no longer in the cards.
Buying the food to do so is not a viable option since those we could have brought from are now themselves on the ropes.
The Ukraine has always been the bread basket of Europe. I have to wonder if that could still hold true considering the constant threat of invasion by Russia, who have had their own plagues of locusts lately.

Starvation kills as readily as disease and malnourished people are less likely to survive infections of any kind.

 

A virus will indeed kill the starving, protect them and another solution may be found.

 

Wife got the 2nd dose of Pfizer yesterday afternoon. It started to kick her but tin the middle of the night. Chills, fatigue, earaches. She got up this morning to teach, made it through one class and had to cancel the 2nd. She's been in bed ever since (~5 hours) -- which is something she usually never does even when she has a real cold/ fever.

 

Then by all means get your rear in gear and cure them all, if you have the resources ...... which you don't.

So what? its still a problem that won't go away any time soon.
Massive over use of ground water is not a uniquely American problem. Best read up on it before making such comments.

Already been done Sherlock. No one is with holding permission to manufacture vaccines.
Make a list of African nations capable of mass producing such complicated vaccines, when they don't even have the ultra cold storage facilities to keep them viable overnight.

Early on India stated they would not allow the vaccines they produced out of the country till they had met their domestic needs, which was a wise decision.
At the time they had the largest modern facilities available, till some yahoo managed to burn down their main facilities.

The reason the present India outbreak is so bad is that they thought they had it under control, like every one else who has made such claims they found they spoke too soon. They opened up too soon.

BTW
Where did you get the idea that the death rate for Covid could reach 33% or higher anywhere on earth?

Also at least keep up on current events before pontificating on the obligations of others.

 

@Professor Your reply seems flawed and angry to me, I will leave you to enjoy your point of view.
Stay well.

 

It only "seems" flawed because you haven't done your home work.

BTW for those interested India , along with South Korea was manufacturing AstraZenica since early on when the WHO gave it emergency use approval. They are now preparing to begin mass production of the Sputnik 5 Russian vaccine.
AZ has less than a 70% effectiveness , some early testing indicated 62%.
AstraZenica is a multinational company based in the UK with several facilities in the USA and other countries.

Patent protection can not prevent anyone from using the technology, it can only cut into the profit margin of those who do so without a licensing agreement.
The Messenger RNA technology of the Major vaccines approved by the US Government is at present far beyond the ability of almost every country on the planet.
The USA has relieved restrictions on export of vaccine raw materials within the last day or two so that is no longer a factor.

 

Had my second shot of Pfizer last week and it kicked my ass all over the place for 3 days

 

Sorry to hear that. Hopefully it doesn't keep my wife down for that long.

 

Got my shot of Pfizer yesterday, dry scratchy mouth today would be the only side effect so far... getting off light I guess

stay well everybody,

 

False.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03...-pandemic-around-the-world-in-months/13260178
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/wor...ory-licence-to-produce-covid-19-vaccines-for/

 

I get my 2nd Pfizer shot 4/28.

 

Just acquire the license.
Is anyone denying the right of suitable facilities the right to acquire the licensing?
Your second link is about government red tape in Canada. The manufacturer hasn't met their obligation to prove they can in fact perform, simple as that. When they meet the requirements they will get a license.
This is not a matter of generic or bootleg viagra, this is serious.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/wo...manufacture-of-covid-19-vaccines-2286988.html

How did blocking all exports of Indian manufactured anti-viral drugs like Remdesivir work out in this situation? Have they waived any IP rights that you know of?
Just get a licensing agreement.

 

Wife woke up this morning and the side-effects were all gone. So like many others, basically started ~12 hours after the shot and lasted about 24 hours.

 

You said "No one is with holding permission to manufacture vaccines."

From the article I linked "
Currently, pharmaceutical companies that invent the vaccines have control over who is issued a licence to produce it."

Your statement is false.

 

So you believe just anyone can start up a vaccine manufacturing facility from scratch?
You seem to believe there should be zero oversight.
Do you believe the bogus vaccine operations uncovered in Poland and Mexico deserve to be given a license and full access to all information?
This is not herbal viagra. Let every Tom,Dick and Harry start up a line slapping labels on whatever vials they have handy and the bodies will really start piling up.
The only people wanting full waivers on intellectual property are those who want a 100% profit margin with zero responsibility for the finished product.
They are not being denied the right to manufacture the vaccine they have as yet failed to prove they could do so if given permission. Their own lack of expertise and diligence is preventing them from being licensed.
Do you figure you should be allowed to drive a car without first obtaining a license? Do you feel you should be granted a drivers license without first proving you can in fact drive?

The USA has already begun shipping raw materials to India and is providing financial support in increasing production.

You seem to be on some neo-marxist tear about this fueled by your ignorance of just how patent laws actually operate and the role governments play in granting such licenses.

PS
http://blogs2.law.columbia.edu/aria...potential-claims-before-investment-tribunals/

Any country can invoke provisions of the TRIPS agreement to force compulsory licensing to manufacture a vaccine if called for. So there actually is no way any patent holder can deny a license to manufacture their product. So your claim that patent holders have control in such circumstances is false, the Governments of nations in need of the licenses make the final decision by international agreement.

Revelvant text

 

Yes 100%. You got me. Me linking an article about a company in Bangladesh with a proven track record for producing vaccines clearly means that I believe that we should support criminals and do away with drivers licenses while were at it.

 

Oh really? Just how many mRNA vaccines have they produced in the past?
Believing without question that company's self serving hype on the weight of some one sided article is not the same as diligent research into the nuts and bolts of Covid vaccine research and manufacture.
So far no company demanding full access royalty free used of Moderna's patented formulas has proven they could actually produce these vaccines if they were granted a license. If they could the compulsory license provisions of the TRIP agreement would have already gone into effect.
On top of that Moderna already stated months ago that they would not pursue any patent infringement cases against anyone who could reproduce their vaccine or create a new one using their patent protected research.

The mRNA vaccines are beyond the capabilities of most nations but the Russians are handing out licenses for the Sputnik V vaccine like candy. There are other options.

 

They could do it if we do away with drivers licenses.

 

Had the virus last year. Got JNJ at the Indy Motor Speedway on Sunday.

Hit hard about midnight on Sunday. Felt exactly like the symptoms I had during the actual virus for about 4 hours. Was sluggish yesterday but basically 90% today.