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Dan S
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Secursus. And their policy force-helps the recipient with his *ahem*ahem* import-thingy-not-to-be-discussed....

I'm still waiting to hear someone say that they had a good resolution of a claim from Secursus. I just don't trust them yet. And when there was that crazy thread with the fraudster, it scared me off, since they seemed to have incredibly strict requirements about boxing, photographing, shipping etc. And I felt like they would use any technicality to avoid paying a claim.
 
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I think its the paperwork and the punishing tariffs into the EU, which can lead to all sorts of negotiation and transactional issues.

Ok, but it is the same for us Europeans. When we ship to US we have to fill in a Customs declaration too.

I always thought that "US Sales only" mean "CONUS only" like people would not like the watch to travel by air or something..
 
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Ok, but it is the same for us Europeans. When we ship to US we have to fill in a Customs declaration too.

I always thought that "US Sales only" mean "CONUS only" like people would not like the watch to travel by air or something..

Makes sense, they don't want the helium to leak out of their dive watches.
 
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In my case, the USPS paperwork is a major hassle and what if someone wants their money back? And wants me to pay for part of the shipping and insurance and... and... and...

Shipping international with UPS seems to be a lot easier but it's also quite expensive... and they won't cover 100% of an expensive wristwatch.

I really don't have the inclination to learn everything for an occasional sale. I'm not a store, I'm just a random guy who wants to sell a watch.
 
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the USPS paperwork is a major hassle

It's 1 form and if it took you longer than 3 or 4 minutes to fill out then you probably took a smoking break during the process.

SkunkPrince SkunkPrince
I really don't have the inclination to learn everything for an occasional sale. I'm not a store, I'm just a random guy who wants to sell a watch.

Then patience might be necessary rather than assuming no one has any money.
 
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In my case, the USPS paperwork is a major hassle and what if someone wants their money back? And wants me to pay for part of the shipping and insurance and... and... and...

Shipping international with UPS seems to be a lot easier but it's also quite expensive... and they won't cover 100% of an expensive wristwatch.

I really don't have the inclination to learn everything for an occasional sale. I'm not a store, I'm just a random guy who wants to sell a watch.

And that's fine by me it's entirely your decision

I have a similar thought process in that I am just a random guy who wants to buy a watch and I really only want to buy from a person who has the inclination to learn enough about the process to sell to me and who wants to sell to me
 
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Let’s all just take a deep breath, this isn’t personal. You can sell into whatever area you are comfortable with.
I really get the hesitation when you are dealing on eBay but I do feel this is a different environment. If you accurately describe your watch I am willing to bet returns are really a non-issue within the private sales forums.
Insurance is another ballgame, get that, but also know it is really hard to get a claim paid on collectibles for full value from USPS domestically.
 
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As long ones understand the implications of timing and costs (vat and taxes) when buying outside your economical area, I don't believe paperwork is that complex.

At least, here (Belgium), I only have to fill a form with receiver's details, description of the content and estimated value for insurance (there is indeed a limit). For high ticket goods, I believe both side should only consider delivery services like DHL etc.

Additionally, I can understand that in the negotiations, the import taxes and vat arguments can be brought up to ask and additional small discount... It is a fair game, if seller believes good can be sold without the extra discount, sure things... Buyers can always ask, that is part of the negotiation, as long as it is done politely. Both sides are entitled to terminate negotiations if any feels I goes over their financial limits.

Nothing personal.
 
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Let’s all just take a deep breath, this isn’t personal. You can sell into whatever area you are comfortable with.
I really get the hesitation when you are dealing on eBay but I do feel this is a different environment. If you accurately describe your watch I am willing to bet returns are really a non-issue within the private sales forums.
Insurance is another ballgame, get that, but also know it is really hard to get a claim paid on collectibles for full value from USPS domestically.

If this is aimed my way I'm not aware anyone got personal. I didn't and certainly dont think the skunk did either

We are big boys who can have a honest exchange of views and respect the others opinion

No issue here
 
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The USA is a market of over 330,000,000, a huge, fairly wealthy market with individual buyers, commercial buyers, auction houses and more competing for your watch. When I sell I want the easiest, most cost beneficial sale to me. Selfish?, that's my call.

And this is a touchy subject, there are a lot of OF members who are way too picky, imo, they'll see a tiny mark on a case that wasn't visible or disclosed and they immediately claim they were ripped off somehow. An international sale just complicates the transaction. No one should feel guilty if they want to set their sales conditions, geographic or otherwise.
 
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The USA is a market of over 330,000,000, a huge, fairly wealthy market with individual buyers, commercial buyers, auction houses and more competing for your watch. When I sell I want the easiest, most cost beneficial sale to me. Selfish?, that's my call.

And this is a touchy subject, there are a lot of OF members who are way too picky, imo, they'll see a tiny mark on a case that wasn't visible or disclosed and they immediately claim they were ripped off somehow. An international sale just complicates the transaction. No one should feel guilty if they want to set their sales conditions, geographic or otherwise.

I absolutely agree. Up to the seller where and who he wants to sell to.
 
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I don't even want to sell unless it's face to face anymore. I have had so many problems selling watches that I almost prefer to give them away.

But with a Railmaster LE, you take what you can get when you can get it.
 
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I don't even want to sell unless it's face to face anymore. I have had so many problems selling watches that I almost prefer to give them away.

But with a Railmaster LE, you take what you can get when you can get it.
If you are giving them away I will fly over there and take them off your hands and even buy you a drink 😉
 
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Evitzee Evitzee
When I sell I want the easiest, most cost beneficial sale to me. Selfish?, that's my call.

I suppose that would be alright if coming from a corporate enterprise's viewpoint but I think for the most part we are talking about casual sales on a watch forum of fellow enthusiasts.
 
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Shipping internationally is not overly difficult but here are a list of my cons and why I don't always ship internationally:

- longer delivery times / less visibility in tracking / more touch points
- higher shipping costs (matters more for less expensive items)
- surprise / unknown duties, tariffs, etc. (the number of times people have asked me to declare incorrectly alone makes me want to avoid this)
- some items can't be exported/imported (trademark violations, animal skin straps, etc). It is hard to keep track of all the rules.
- more paperwork. I feel less comfortable with Fedex/UPS pickup on international items - so always have to go in to the store for these to make sure they get it right
- a lot of staff are incorrectly trained on shipping international packages and don't enter things correctly (have had this happen twice and ended up getting the package back
- addresses in some countries are super confusing and don't conform to shipping forms
- returns are more annoying. Additional (expensive) shipping costs + often non-refundable duties paid are lost
- language barrier in many countries - leads to more potential issues - things translated incorrectly / harder to work out problems

While I've done many international deals that have worked out beautifully, it is not always worth it. I have nothing against international buyers though!
 
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Evitzee Evitzee
The USA is a market of over 330,000,000, a huge, fairly wealthy market with individual buyers, commercial buyers, auction houses and more competing for your watch. When I sell I want the easiest, most cost beneficial sale to me. Selfish?, that's my call.

And this is a touchy subject, there are a lot of OF members who are way too picky, imo, they'll see a tiny mark on a case that wasn't visible or disclosed and they immediately claim they were ripped off somehow. An international sale just complicates the transaction. No one should feel guilty if they want to set their sales conditions, geographic or otherwise.
In essence, fully agree.

I believe the OP discussion topic was to understand the "humongous" extra complications an international sales bring when posting in an "international enthusiasts forum".

I assume local/national fora exist where such hassle free transaction can be concluded.

Now, ofc, one can post *whatever region* only transaction in an international forum too. It just seems odd to do the effort to post in that case.
 
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