Urgent Help with GMT 1675

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And I’m glad you’ve raised it, because this to me is the difference being trampled here.

On your watch, note at the blue arrow the interior edges of the crown guards - which are still essentially sharp, and at 90 degree angles (see yellow arrow)




As far as “sleeve polish” goes, the reason these specific edges and angles are retained is obvious: no sleeve (or even delicate “jewelers cloth”) has any purchase on these recesses. Scratches, dings, an intermittent rounded section due to this-or-that wear - sure! But in the main, these recessed edges and angles are roughly there, no matter and in contrast to the “sleeve polish” that may have occurred at the outer facing faces and edges of any well worn watch.

Contrast yours to the same features of OP’s watch:




Notice that even the recessed edges (blue arrows), in stark contrast to the watch @Larry S posted, are - not dinged, or scratches here and there, but instead - uniformly softened.

Moreover, notice (at yellow arrow) that the once 90 degree angles are now more boomerang shaped.

Whatever someone wants to call these differences, they amount to a justifiable difference worth noting - having something to do with some form of “polishing”

None of which is say anything about whether it’s not still worth a price!
Anything can be recreated with a polishing wheel...specially if it comes from a dealer (not referring to your particular watch as I know nothing about it.) The days of finding unpolished watches are over, specially with all the mid-cases coming from Italy and far east. I stopped believing in this tooth ferry a few years ago. I consider myself lucky to have witnessed the age of innocence in this hobby which ended the minute IG and greedy dealers turned it into an industry.
Amen. I will enjoy my Rolexes secure in the knowledge that i didn’t participate in the current madness.
 
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Anything can be recreated with a polishing wheel...specially if it comes from a dealer (not referring to your particular watch as I know nothing about it.) The days of finding unpolished watches are over, specially with all the mid-cases coming from Italy and far east. I stopped believing in this tooth ferry a few years ago. I consider myself lucky to have witnessed the age of innocence in this hobby which ended the minute IG and greedy dealers turned it into an industry.

I respectfully disagree that anything can be created with a polishing wheel. There are such things as honest unpolished examples out there, they are just very rare to find. An absolute statement like that assumes every owner had their watch serviced and polished or just polished at some point in time which I do not believe to be true. While there is certainly an art and craft to polishing or re-cutting a case to make it appear as original, there are signs to scrutinize the differences between a touched case by a polishing wheel and one that was likely never touched by one and retaining it's original aspects while weathering years of use.
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I have been following this thread, like many others before it, with interest. I firmly believe, that unless you know the provenance of a watch, it's extremely difficult to declare a it as unpolished.

I have handled a few 'unpolished' 1675's and own a couple 'unpolished' 16750's (one is an early matte dial which came right after the MK5 mentioned on this thread.) In my opinion, none of the ones I have observed/owned have rounded crown guards like the OP. I will also attest, quality of pictures makes a big difference. I have seen pictures of lug holes that look perfect w/o any cratering from one angle only to reveal the curvature around the holes from another view. Heck, I've taken a few of those pictures by accident!

IMHO, this watch has seen a polishing wheel in it's lifetime. I would never proclaim it as unpolished, that is a high hurdle for many serious collectors. I may be wrong, I won't be shy to admit it if I am, but my standard is very high when it comes to this question.

Agreed. Through I don’t think most (anyone?) is claiming the watch is unpolished. I’ve posted several times that I think it’s been polished by both regular wear over years and likely a light polish (in the common parlance), but overall is still in good shape and doesn’t have the prepared appearance you see with dealer pieces - which makes me like it more.

This is also why I only buy vintage Rolex directly from original owners/families.
 
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^^ I agree.

As long as you buy from original owner, you have a much better chance. Dealers in general will send a watch for polishing without batting an eye, look at the inventory at Tropical. Most of his vintage is polished and he states it upfront. While he’s forthcoming, many are not. I have smoked a few out over the years on this very forum, who claim to be honest and and well connected. Charge a hefty premium for their supposed knowledge and come from top schools. I have zero trust in any dealer which claims an unpolished case.

I’ve seen it all.

BTW - kudos to you for putting together a great website.
 
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I do certainly agree the term “unpolished” is abused. I think the debate has been around the semantics of what is widely defined as polishing. Some dealers are very forthright in their descriptions and others are not.