Universal Geneve Watches On Ebay

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Any thoughts on this one - I like the bezel but suspect it's a re-dial?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/390948756456?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
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So glad I asked (the seller just ended the sale and relisted it as it came to his attention that it was from the 1940s not the 1950s…)

Much appreciated.
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Wow! I juste received the book by Pietro Giuliani Sala… Addictive!

This is beautifully illustrated, and well informed.

I'm getting hooked on vintage Universal!
 
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Is that back case looks alright? Any other thoughts about this watch??

It's a reference 12445. You could google "Uni-Compax 12445" and have a look at some other examples. I think it's all correct.
 
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Hi,
I would love to know what you think about this cal. 285 UG Compur.
The movement does not seem very clean ? But dial looks original ?

Thanks for your help!

http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=251685311394

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I am afraid it is a redial, be patient. Look at the subdial inking and fonts. Look at the word Compur especially the R. You will sure find a real good one, just have to be patient.
 
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What a quick answer, thanks ELV web
I really thought it wasn't a redial. I will follow your advice and be patient, but I have to say I am saddened by how few good opportunities there are: On the bay I feel like;
- 50% Compax/Compur are bad redial with a price a bit too high;
- while the remaining 50% have original dial but a price that is 100% too high.

On watch sales sites, almost all watches fall under the second category beautiful but largely overpriced)

Do you have the same point of view or am I missing something?
 
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What a quick answer, thanks ELV web
I really thought it wasn't a redial. I will follow your advice and be patient, but I have to say I am saddened by how few good opportunities there are: On the bay I feel like;
- 50% Compax/Compur are bad redial with a price a bit too high;
- while the remaining 50% have original dial but a price that is 100% too high.

On watch sales sites, almost all watches fall under the second category beautiful but largely overpriced)

Do you have the same point of view or am I missing something?

Try using different language to search what you are looking for 😀 good luck.
 
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Anybody got a beat on this bad boy? Sorry if I'm stepping on someone's shoes...

I'm a sucker for "cut dials".

One problem: I can't determine if this a really good older dial touch-up. Seems right but I almost always miss something on these late 40's watches....


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...I can't determine if this a really good older dial touch-up. Seems right but I almost always miss something on these late 40's watches....
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Ancient re-dial for sure. Not "really good" in my book, but then again I might not be capable of stringing the words "really good" and "re-dial" together. The thing that immediately disturbs me, from a distance, is the upright arrangement of all the numerals on the southern subdial - identical to the "clock-face" arrangement on the northern one. This is never the case on an original dial.
 
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I see lots of comments about redials and how expensive UG's with original dials are. I think a good analogy is a painting by a famous artist like michelangelo or dali (happen to be my favorites). An original is worth millions while a copy is worth peanuts. The moral of the story is the real thing is likely to be very rare and worth a great deal more than a "connerie" as they say in france.

My view is that it is still a good time to buy a classy UG and prices are still affordable when compared to other prestigious makes but it will not be like that for long as more and more collectors of fine watches are realising their true value and adding them to their wish list !

Thanx Lous and WoodWkr2 for your valued and most appreciated advice ... and for the rest, grab them while you can, apart from the fact that they are great pieces of art, they are probably the best investment you will ever make 💰
 
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I think it is more the rarity of finding a especially nice 40's UG particularly that makes these so appealing. There are other brands that as far as the movement goes that I would rather have as this really is not one of the best chronograph movements ever produced IMHO but it is the history of the UG brand itself, smaller numbers surviving in good to prestine condition that makes this such a fascinating brand. The dials that UG produced are still today some classics that could be used today on modern timepieces. Of course a watch mag writing about you all the time would even boost the prices of vintage Timex if you wrote about them long enough....... ::stirthepot::

Wayne