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路From that link earlier, that same kit seems to have been put together twice. http://www.coloradoprospector.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=391
Time Capsule
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路I can find many examples of centre seconds watches from the early 1940's & even 1930's (Omega Medicus) Rolex Oyster/Athlete, Longines Weems etc etc
late 30's early 40's date windows & slightly similar dial layouts Movada's & Zenith watches ..
so unless ETA copied a revolutionary Milus movement it must be post war
Maybe there were a few test/sample kit configurations?
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From that link earlier, that same kit seems to have been put together twice. http://www.coloradoprospector.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=391
Regards
Mr.H
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AAAKK
路Just wanted to add to this interesting conversation. Here is a reply l received from Milus some time ago:
Hello,
This model 40.81 was produced by a company that no longer exists since 1999.
We have unfortunately no information and the former owners all passed away.
When the factory was closed the removal company accidently destroyed filing cabinets full of memorabilia and everything went into smoke.
Best regards
MARIA MARCASSA
MILUS INTERNATIONAL SA
Rte de Reuchenette 19
CH - 2502 Biel-Bienne
So as previously noted, apparently no records exist. And any connection the current Milus has to the original is basically in name only. I own this Milus reference; as already noted, extremely unlikely from the 40's. It's actually a cool little watch, about 36mm, and I like it for what it is.
Hello,
This model 40.81 was produced by a company that no longer exists since 1999.
We have unfortunately no information and the former owners all passed away.
When the factory was closed the removal company accidently destroyed filing cabinets full of memorabilia and everything went into smoke.
Best regards
MARIA MARCASSA
MILUS INTERNATIONAL SA
Rte de Reuchenette 19
CH - 2502 Biel-Bienne
So as previously noted, apparently no records exist. And any connection the current Milus has to the original is basically in name only. I own this Milus reference; as already noted, extremely unlikely from the 40's. It's actually a cool little watch, about 36mm, and I like it for what it is.
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TNTwatch
路Just wanted to add to this interesting conversation. Here is a reply l received from Milus some time ago:
Hello,
This model 40.81 was produced by a company that no longer exists since 1999.
We have unfortunately no information and the former owners all passed away.
When the factory was closed the removal company accidently destroyed filing cabinets full of memorabilia and everything went into smoke.
Best regards
MARIA MARCASSA
MILUS INTERNATIONAL SA
Rte de Reuchenette 19
CH - 2502 Biel-Bienne
So as previously noted, apparently no records exist. And any connection the current Milus has to the original is basically in name only. I own this Milus reference; as already noted, extremely unlikely from the 40's. It's actually a cool little watch, about 36mm, and I like it for what it is.
Can you post some internal pictures of your watch?
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路It's the *direct* centre second of the ETA 2408 that is different from those watches. The direct centre second was invented by IWC in 1948.
Interesting but I cannot find a reference to this?
I'm not so sure. Can you post some pictures of similar dials from the 40s or 50s?
Vintage triple date watches are easy to find on-line, then of course there is the 1945 DateJust
It's very unlikely a new and small watch company could be so revolutionary but no one has heard about.
Probably yes
But with the same "control number"? Afaik, only fake watches have the same ID numbers...
Regards
Mr.H
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gatorcpa
路路惟F InvestiGatorI've never had the caseback off, but I'll see if I can remove it tomorrow. Just all the stylistic cues always said circa '60 to me
Thanks,
gatorcpa
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路Interesting but I cannot find a reference to this?
Vintage triple date watches are easy to find on-line, then of course there is the 1945 DateJust
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路I think if we apply Occam's Razor to this we all know the answer - either we have the most technically advanced wrist watch in the world produced in small quantities and sold only to the government in 1941 that had features and a movement not seen for another 20 years, or we have a mistaken historian and the watch has common features from the 1960s. I know which I believe to be the case.
I'm debating the kindest way I can reply to Mr. Vargas, or if I should at all. While there is the (not so great) part of me that LOVES to correct people when they are unequivocally wrong, this isn't a particularly admirable trait. It is evident that he has built at least a part of his reputation on these kits and it is completely understandable that he may want to double down when confronted with evidence that changes his world view. I care only in that I like factual and complete information and it bugs the crap out of me when people repeat hearsay as truth. But in the overall scheme of things, what does it matter?
I'm debating the kindest way I can reply to Mr. Vargas, or if I should at all. While there is the (not so great) part of me that LOVES to correct people when they are unequivocally wrong, this isn't a particularly admirable trait. It is evident that he has built at least a part of his reputation on these kits and it is completely understandable that he may want to double down when confronted with evidence that changes his world view. I care only in that I like factual and complete information and it bugs the crap out of me when people repeat hearsay as truth. But in the overall scheme of things, what does it matter?
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redpcar
路How about if you simply refer him to this thread?
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路Milus Jet-Master .. Looks like it kind of kills off the last hope of the Snow-Star even coming close to the date needed
Very strange that a company that now sells $250k time pieces didn't work that out ... Well they certainly ran with it, I think the 2000 limited edition Snow-Star Heritage kits netted them close to $9m in just 2 years. Slight loss for me as I know a pair Atlantic/Pacific Barter kits advertised as WWII sold for $15,800 recently
Regards
Mr.H
Very strange that a company that now sells $250k time pieces didn't work that out ... Well they certainly ran with it, I think the 2000 limited edition Snow-Star Heritage kits netted them close to $9m in just 2 years. Slight loss for me as I know a pair Atlantic/Pacific Barter kits advertised as WWII sold for $15,800 recently
Regards
Mr.H
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路Ok after a little further research & speaking to a few collectors in this field all roads lead to WWII issue, so it looks like these kits can be firmly placed within the 1941-42 time-frame
http://www.anaspides.net/military/survival_chits_and_maps.html
Will pick up a copy of "THE LAST HOPE The Blood Chit Story in hopes of the original watch being pictured
Rgards
Mr.H
http://www.anaspides.net/military/survival_chits_and_maps.html
Will pick up a copy of "THE LAST HOPE The Blood Chit Story in hopes of the original watch being pictured
Rgards
Mr.H
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flyingout
路Any clues in the shock protection? My best guess is Novochoc B (old version maybe). There are a couple others I found that are roughly triangular.
Not that I've found much info for dating that, but all other photos of 2408s that I've seen appear to use Incabloc. Hopefully we'll have another example to compare.
Not that I've found much info for dating that, but all other photos of 2408s that I've seen appear to use Incabloc. Hopefully we'll have another example to compare.
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TNTwatch
路Any clues in the shock protection? My best guess is Novochoc B (old version maybe). There are a couple others I found that are roughly triangular.
Not that I've found much info for dating that, but all other photos of 2408s that I've seen appear to use Incabloc. Hopefully we'll have another example to compare.
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ConElPueblo
路Ok after a little further research & speaking to a few collectors in this field all roads lead to WWII issue, so it looks like these kits can be firmly placed within the 1941-42 time-frame
I'm curious as to what these collectors think of the watch included. Hopefully no-one still believes these are WWII items?
