This 2852 is a redial right?

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I’m (finally!) getting into early Constellations. They’ve never sung to me and all of a sudden it’s hits me like a sledgehammer and now I’m all on looking for a 2852 in steel.

Anyway, I came across this one this evening on eBay. At first glance the font looks fairly good. However on closer inspection the crosshair is slightly too thick, the minute marks don’t quite align with the hour markers and crucially the entire minute track isn’t completely centered with the hour markers (ie there’s a larger gap between the hour markers and the minute track on the 3 o’clock side than on the 9 o’clock side).

So this is a redial, right?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/23479380...aMjpz0rSAy&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

 
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I'm no expert but it sure looks "off" to me...if it's not a redial it should never have passed QC!
 
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I'm interested to see what the experts say, but I suspect so for the reasons you give and the messed up market at 56 min. Plus, Swiss Made seems to be covered by the marker at 6.
 
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Well, if there isn't distortion of the crystal .... hash marks seem unequal; also 2nd and 3rd lines lettering look off, particularly letters E, D
 
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I thought it was a redial because of the crosshairs that dont stop at the numerals (although it looks to be a domed dial) and the swiss made is hidden by the marker.
 
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I have one of these, not got a better picture on hand unfortunately.

I would say definitely original.

 
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Another plain surface / white gold marker I used to own for reference

 
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It’s a difficult one because to me the font looks good, but I haven’t seen a factory dial with such poor positioning/orientation of the minute track.

I’m not overly concerned about the 56 marker as that could easily be a mark or damage
 
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I was going to stick my neck on the line and say original too, the cross hair and fonts check out imho. I’ve seen pictures of other hobnail 2852’s where the 6 o’clock marker covers the ‘Swiss made’ and also where the cross hair goes beyond the minute marks.
I think there are certain concessions in dial print quality for hobnails but agree some of the hour dots are well off!
 
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It's an original dial with poor quality control imho, redials never get the font right and this looks exactly like other examples.
 
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I have one of these, not got a better picture on hand unfortunately.

I would say definitely original.

After seeing this one I must say my own conclusions going out the window.
 
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Some comparables, firstly the OP eBay watch (left) Vs my 2852 (right) shows the font and text are pretty much perfect and then some other members hobnail dials to compare marker placement.
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I’m (finally!) getting into early Constellations. They’ve never sung to me and all of a sudden it’s hits me like a sledgehammer and now I’m all on looking for a 2852 in steel.

Anyway, I came across this one this evening on eBay. At first glance the font looks fairly good. However on closer inspection the crosshair is slightly too thick, the minute marks don’t quite align with the hour markers and crucially the entire minute track isn’t completely centered with the hour markers (ie there’s a larger gap between the hour markers and the minute track on the 3 o’clock side than on the 9 o’clock side).

So this is a redial, right?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/23479380...aMjpz0rSAy&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY



Yes.
 
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The other reason I don’t think this is a redial is the three zoomed in pictures in the first post are all the same photo, just magnified. Which greatly increases the likelihood it’s parallax error.

Looking at other pictures in the auction the misalignment is far less pronounced, below.

Case is a bit soft but I think it’s worth £1k if the movement is kosher.
 
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The other reason I don’t think this is a redial is the three zoomed in pictures in the first post are all the same photo, just magnified. Which greatly increases the likelihood it’s parallax error.

Looking at other pictures in the auction the misalignment is far less pronounced, below.

Case is a bit soft but I think it’s worth £1k if the movement is kosher.

I agree with you the alignment looks fine in the other images, its a non issue.

The only thing that would put me off is the slight dirtyness of the dial surface, it really distracts the eye on these white ones, and of course the case condition.
 
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No.

I feel it's more likely than not that some of the printed markers are too far offset for this dial to have passed quality control. (Notice the shift towards 10 and 11 with corresponding shifts away from 4 and 5.) Ditto for the 6 o'clock marker covering 'Swiss Made'.

It might be a service dial or a production dial that didn't pass muster that escaped the dial maker's control. Or even an original dial that shouldn't have escaped Omega's qc but did. Not every Ford is a lemon, but there are Ford lemons.

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I feel it's more likely than not that some of the printed markers are too far offset for this dial to have passed quality control. (Notice the shift towards 10 and 11 with corresponding shifts away from 4 and 5.) Ditto for the 6 o'clock marker covering 'Swiss Made'.

It might be a service dial or a production dial that didn't pass muster that escaped the dial maker's control. Or even an original dial that shouldn't have escaped Omega's qc but did. Not every Ford is a lemon, but there are Ford lemons.

Art

Appreciate you coming back with some analysis on this one, I hear your point regarding possible qc issues. I suppose it perhaps being a substandard original is something I could come around to.

A number of the dials posted seem to have a slightly hindered Swiss Made so it almost seems like a fundamental problem with the design.

The watch has now sold so we may never see a really clear photo of it (my lowball offer made for science was rejected).

Hopefully some more examples appear for comparison.
 
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Thanks for the replies. I couldn’t convince myself that I’d be happy with the case or the dial so although I suspect the price may be reasonable, I wasn’t the buyer.