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The '69 Speedy has arrived! But now there's an issue...

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The day that seemed to pull farther away from me as it neared, that slow drag of time, is finally over! Walking back in the house after taking the dogs for a walk, I saw the FedEx package on that table and got good and giddy. This is my first Speedy Pro ever, so that feeling of awe and curiosity looms large today. I do want to extend a big thanks to all those on this forum who helped me make an educated and sound purchase; your knowledge and kindness are most certainly appreciated.

EDIT: Thanks for the kind words, folks! I do love this watch, but alas! I've just noticed an issue. The hour's subdial hand does not click back to 12 when reset (photos farther down in the thread). I've read some old forum posts about this, and most people have said that the hand may need to be realigned. My question: Do I send it back to the seller and have him do it? He claimed it was just freshly serviced in August of 2020....soooo how does this make sense? Should I just ask if he can cover the service in my town? His post had claimed that it was "running perfectly," but this is not perfect.

So, here are a couple initial photos (more to come in the natural light):

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I must say, all of my worry about the lume of this watch ended right when looked at it in the flesh. How deceiving photos may be at times! And, while the new Speedy just dropped, I am still happy to have gotten this one. Something about the subdued font and overall modest nature of this watch moves me more so than the latest iteration. That, and, well, this has the aura of history orbiting about it, and that is something no adding or subtracting of a feature can alter.


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When it comes down to it, this is a marvelous watch. My only initial hangup is the size of it, and that is surely due to the fact that I was wearing this piece below for about 2 years straight before I put on the Speedy today:

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All in all, I am sure my love for this watch will grow over time. Even now, looking at it makes me smirk . And who doesn't love a good feeling of earned pleasure at the day's end?
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Enjoy and wear with pride. How I remember the first time a Speedy found it’s way onto my wrist. Still got it all these years later...
 
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Congrats on a new watch! First Speedy is something like the first bike ride - you'll never forget that moment.
 
momentomori
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Thanks for the kind words, folks! I do love this watch, but alas! I've just noticed an issue. The hour's subdial hand does not click back to 12 when reset. I've read some old forum posts about this, and most people have said that the hand may need to be realigned. My question: Do I send it back to the seller and have him do it? He claimed it was just freshly serviced in August of 2020....soooo how does this make sense? Should I just ask if he can cover the service in my town? His post had claimed that it was "running perfectly," but this is not perfect.

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Chrono still looks like it is running in the pics, are you stopping before resetting? Or, is the large chrono hand not resetting to 12 either?
 
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Chrono still looks like it is running in the pics, are you stopping before resetting? Or, is the large chrono hand not resetting to 12 either?

The large chrono hand is fine, it is the hour subdial that doesn't click back to 12 that is the problem. This persists even if I click and hold the reset pusher.
 
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I wouldn’t 100% say that it wasn’t serviced. I had a speedy serviced and the hand wasn’t fit quite right to the post when it was sent back to me. So I had to have them refit it.

That said, the watchmaker did it for me for free because it was pretty obvious that it was a mistake.
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I wouldn’t 100% say that it was serviced. I had a speedy serviced and the hand wasn’t fit quite right to the post when it was sent back to me. So I had to have them refit it.

That said, the watchmaker did it for me for free because it was pretty obvious that it was a mistake.

Right. That's what this seems like. I am now wondering if I just send it back to the seller and have his guy take care of it. It is just a pain to pack it all up when I just got it, ship, wait, wait, etc.
 
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The large chrono hand is fine, it is the hour subdial that doesn't click back to 12 that is the problem. This persists even if I click and hold the reset pusher.

leave it as it is. mechanism could be fine but it might be the placement of the hand that was off line when installed. dont bother with it. and enjoy.
 
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I would keep it as it is for now and enjoy the watch as it is. If it is only the hand which is slightly off then it should just need to have the hand refitted, which although a simple enough task is quite awkward to get the alignment perfect, at least it has been for me 😁 The other issue could be that if you send it back, they might damage the dial or the hand and you'd be back to square one with no watch. Of course this depends who the seller gets to do the resetting of the hand.
There is a possibility it is more than just a misaligned hand but if its resetting to the same position every time then I'd assume its just a misaligned hand.
 
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Chrono hand not resetting perfectly .. no big deal .. I would keep it as is and get it fixed during the next service ...
 
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Did the seller provide any proof or details of the service? If so you could maybe approach the watchmaker directly. If he didn't or can't when asked, then there is good chance the 'service' never took place. Either way I would try to control the situation myself and not send it back to the seller, unless you actually want to unwind the deal that is. You may have a hand that has moved on the pinion or more likely you have chrono creep, either will need a watchmaker's intervention.
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Did the seller provide any proof or details of the service? If so you could maybe approach the watchmaker directly. If he didn't or can't when asked, then there is good chance the 'service' never took place. Either way I would try to control the situation myself and not send it back to the seller, unless you actually want to unwind the deal that is. You may have a hand that has moved on the pinion or more likely you have chrono creep, either will need a watchmaker's intervention.

Yes, he provided proof of service. And he gave the following explanation as to why this was not fixed:

"I do know what you are talking about with the hour register and I can see it in the original listing photos. I talked to my repair guy who did the service and he said to fix that small deviation could damage the hand and the movement because the hand needs to be removed and then replaced. My repair guy and I felt it was more important to have the original hands and not potentially damage the movement. If you want to do that, I feel that is something that is up to you."

I am just wondering if there is any validity to this. Could this service actually damage the original hand or movement if done by a competent watch tech? Or maybe he guy was not confident enough in himself to do it? It just seems odd, but maybe there is something I am missing.

Ordinarily, I wouldn't care, but the main thing is this: if the hour chrono hand is misaligned, then it would seem to me that its time-telling capabilities are not reliable. And, in the past, I've used my Speedy reduced's chronograph for so many things: chili boils, grilling, laundry, exercise intervals, etc. It was a nice feature to have, so this is why this upsets me-- It is not the cosmetics of it at all.
 
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Yes, he provided proof of service. And he gave the following explanation as to why this was not fixed:

"I do know what you are talking about with the hour register and I can see it in the original listing photos. I talked to my repair guy who did the service and he said to fix that small deviation could damage the hand and the movement because the hand needs to be removed and then replaced. My repair guy and I felt it was more important to have the original hands and not potentially damage the movement. If you want to do that, I feel that is something that is up to you."

I am just wondering if there is any validity to this. Could this service actually damage the original hand or movement if done by a competent watch tech? Or maybe he guy was not confident enough in himself to do it? It just seems odd, but maybe there is something I am missing.

Ordinarily, I wouldn't care, but the main thing is this: if the hour chrono hand is misaligned, then it would seem to me that its time-telling capabilities are not reliable. And, in the past, I've used my Speedy reduced's chronograph for so many things: chili boils, grilling, laundry, exercise intervals, etc. It was a nice feature to have, so this is why this upsets me. It is not the cosmetics of it at all.

Who did the work, are they reputable? Does this suggest that it was 'serviced' without removing the hands? If so, then what occurred wasn't what is usually considered a service by any reputable watchmaker. If the chrono hand is just misaligned then that is one thing (and can occur when it is remounted after servicing) but if it is as a result of chrono creep it will only get worse until properly fixed.

I think you need to decide whether to just live with it and take the expense of a future service or hand adjustment on the chin or unwind the deal. Based on what you have said above I wouldn't be letting his repair guy anywhere near a watch I valued (if indeed he does exist).
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momentomori
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Who did the work, are they reputable? Does this suggest that it was 'serviced' without removing the hands? If so, then it what occurred what was usually considered a service by any reputable watchmaker. If the chrono hand is just misaligned then that is one thing (and can occur when it is remounted after servicing) but if it is as a result of chrono creep it will only get worse until properly fixed.

I think you need to decide whether to just live with it and take the expense of a future service or hand adjustment on the chin or unwind the deal. Based on what you have said above I wouldn't be letting his repair guy anywhere near a watch I valued (if indeed he does exist).

Yes, they are reputable (Claudio's in NC). I can certainly live with taking the hit of the service in the future, but I am wondering if there is a risk to the hand/movement if serviced as he said.

And how would I know if it is chrono creep or just a misaligned hand? If it is the former, I'd unwind the deal, as you said.
 
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Lovely watch, I am on the hunt for my first vintage piece, although I have a few Rolex and a beautiful 3800 Patek it's speedy time.

It seems to be a minefield out there, I've watched all the YT videos of experts, yet still no wiser.

I would love a 145.022 or is it 145.0022, is there a difference, must have tritium as I'm a patina freak.

Anyway love the watch and the strap, in anticipation of mine, I've already bought a lovely green molequin strap so I just need the watch now.
 
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Lovely watch, I am on the hunt for my first vintage piece, although I have a few Rolex and a beautiful 3800 Patek it's speedy time.

It seems to be a minefield out there, I've watched all the YT videos of experts, yet still no wiser.

I would love a 145.022 or is it 145.0022, is there a difference, must have tritium as I'm a patina freak.

Anyway love the watch and the strap, in anticipation of mine, I've already bought a lovely green molequin strap so I just need the watch now.

Thank you! Yes, I do dig it. It is a 145.022-69. Aside from "Moonwatch Only," this website really helped me to make a solid purchase (https://speedmaster101.com) But, I have to say, more than anything, the members of this forum have been the biggest help. Best wishes on your search!
 
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