Stainless sports Rolex dealer stock........

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As annoying as this is from a customer perspective I also see this from a dealer perspective. It's got to suck when you lose, what could be, a sizable portion of your revenue because the manufacturer can't or won't supply you with enough product to sell. It's got to cut into their margins and they might be trying to recoup it by "encouraging" (read: making) people buy more than one piece.

I'm not saying I agree with the practice but there may be another motivation behind the practice other than to stick it to buyers.
 
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might be trying to recoup it by "encouraging" (read: making) people buy more than one piece.

Well, an extra strap or some sort of watch pouch... But a €33K watch that's more expensive than the watch you were after?! 🤨
 
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As annoying as this is from a customer perspective I also see this from a dealer perspective. It's got to suck when you lose, what could be, a sizable portion of your revenue because the manufacturer can't or won't supply you with enough product to sell. It's got to cut into their margins and they might be trying to recoup it by "encouraging" (read: making) people buy more than one piece.

I'm not saying I agree with the practice but there may be another motivation behind the practice other than to stick it to buyers.
The AD I'm buying my 300M Diver from told me that they "only sold Rolex to their customers", despite the fact that my wife's VERY nice wedding ring was bought there. I was less than impressed. The only thing that earned them my money for the Omega was a good experience I had with their staff in a different branch.
 
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This year I received a new Rolex Daytona steel (after years of waiting time) from an official european Rolex dealer. Before I could pay for it the dealer told me that he decided for future to keep the warranty card and documents of these watches for 1 year in his safe (obviously to prevent his customers from selling the watches again for more money). I did not like this too much but accepted.
It is defiantly not legal that an official distributor sells a new watch without papers - but if I hadn´t accepted I guess he would possibly have sold this watch to the next customer on the waiting list - who accepts his new terms.
DID ANYONE OF YOU HAD SIMILAR EXPERIENCE?
On the other hand it could be a quite effective way to prevent on top prices....
What are your thoughts?
 
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This year I received a new Rolex Daytona steel (after years of waiting time) from an official european Rolex dealer. Before I could pay for it the dealer told me that he decided for future to keep the warranty card and documents of these watches for 1 year in his safe (obviously to prevent his customers from selling the watches again for more money). I did not like this too much but accepted.
It is defiantly not legal that an official distributor sells a new watch without papers - but if I hadn´t accepted I guess he would possibly have sold this watch to the next customer on the waiting list - who accepts his new terms.
DID ANYONE OF YOU HAD SIMILAR EXPERIENCE?
On the other hand it could be a quite effective way to prevent on top prices....
What are your thoughts?
Merged your thread into the existing one which covers it all fairly well
 
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So after taking an interest in the classic black dial SS sub I've started looking around a bit.

Here in Mallorca the main dealer woth 3 decent sized storess only has 1 with a blue dial and 2 tone case/bracelet and the lady said they just don't get them coming in at all this last year.
Bear in mind there is a huge yachting industry here and I've seen a lot of captains and owners wearing subs so it's definitely an odd market to starve.
 
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I recently went to a large family gathering attended by a cousin of my wife who owns one of the U.K’s oldest Rolex approved dealerships. Having dipped into this thread previously I questioned him on the subject. His first response was that because Rolex is owned by a trust they are not subject to the usual business pressures from shareholders etc... He also admitted to being very frustrated at the situation, on the one hand Rolex force him to invest huge amounts of money on dedicated Rolex sales areas (among other requirements) and yet will not supply him with the stock he needs to fill it! The only reason he could think of to explain the situation is the possibility that Rolex are trying to make it uneconomical for the ‘independent’ retailers to remain Rolex approved leaving only a small handful of Rolex owned boutiques as outlets.
Whatever the reasons behind this poor business practise I certainly felt sorry for him. Rolex obviously have no loyalty to the approved retailers who have sold their products for many years.
 
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I recently went to a large family gathering attended by a cousin of my wife who owns one of the U.K’s oldest Rolex approved dealerships. Having dipped into this thread previously I questioned him on the subject. His first response was that because Rolex is owned by a trust they are not subject to the usual business pressures from shareholders etc... He also admitted to being very frustrated at the situation, on the one hand Rolex force him to invest huge amounts of money on dedicated Rolex sales areas (among other requirements) and yet will not supply him with the stock he needs to fill it! The only reason he could think of to explain the situation is the possibility that Rolex are trying to make it uneconomical for the ‘independent’ retailers to remain Rolex approved leaving only a small handful of Rolex owned boutiques as outlets.
Whatever the reasons behind this poor business practise I certainly felt sorry for him. Rolex obviously have no loyalty to the approved retailers who have sold their products for many years.

But they also don't supply their own boutiques!
 
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But they also don't supply their own boutiques!
Maybe with fewer outlets there would be more stock for the few.
 
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I wonder how much independents will have spent on their Rolex displays should the plug be pulled by Rolex.

Seems like a failed strategy over recent years and they are letting down their suppliers big time.
 
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I recently went to a large family gathering attended by a cousin of my wife who owns one of the U.K’s oldest Rolex approved dealerships. Having dipped into this thread previously I questioned him on the subject. His first response was that because Rolex is owned by a trust they are not subject to the usual business pressures from shareholders etc... He also admitted to being very frustrated at the situation, on the one hand Rolex force him to invest huge amounts of money on dedicated Rolex sales areas (among other requirements) and yet will not supply him with the stock he needs to fill it! The only reason he could think of to explain the situation is the possibility that Rolex are trying to make it uneconomical for the ‘independent’ retailers to remain Rolex approved leaving only a small handful of Rolex owned boutiques as outlets.
Whatever the reasons behind this poor business practise I certainly felt sorry for him. Rolex obviously have no loyalty to the approved retailers who have sold their products for many years.


I have no idea if this is correct or not but it just shows you that literally no one has any idea what is going on. Everything is speculation. I do wonder if the truth will ever surface or if, at one point, supply just increases and every pretends nothing happened.
 
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I was in Springfield Missouri today and stopped by Maxon Jewelry store on battlefield. They have, as of today, a GMT Master II in stock but said they doubt it will last the weekend.
 
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I recently went to a large family gathering attended by a cousin of my wife who owns one of the U.K’s oldest Rolex approved dealerships. Having dipped into this thread previously I questioned him on the subject. His first response was that because Rolex is owned by a trust they are not subject to the usual business pressures from shareholders etc... He also admitted to being very frustrated at the situation, on the one hand Rolex force him to invest huge amounts of money on dedicated Rolex sales areas (among other requirements) and yet will not supply him with the stock he needs to fill it! The only reason he could think of to explain the situation is the possibility that Rolex are trying to make it uneconomical for the ‘independent’ retailers to remain Rolex approved leaving only a small handful of Rolex owned boutiques as outlets.
Whatever the reasons behind this poor business practise I certainly felt sorry for him. Rolex obviously have no loyalty to the approved retailers who have sold their products for many years.


This echoes a discussion I had with someone who's quite connected in the watch selling business recently;

The theory goes that Rolex is trying to starve the smaller AD's, because those will most likely sell their left over stock to the grey marked, to the point that they drop Rolex because it's just not feasible for them anymore business wise.

In the long run this could lead to a few exclusive Rolex Boutiques run in conjunction with the biggest AD's.
And positioning Rolex to the point that they, like Patek, "allow" you to buy a watch from them if you fit their customer criteria.

As with everything else about this topic atm, this is just speculation/theory, but it's one of the more realistic theorys I've come across on this subject.

Cheers,

Max
 
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This echoes a discussion I had with someone who's quite connected in the watch selling business recently;

The theory goes that Rolex is trying to starve the smaller AD's, because those will most likely sell their left over stock to the grey marked, to the point that they drop Rolex because it's just not feasible for them anymore business wise.

In the long run this could lead to a few exclusive Rolex Boutiques run in conjunction with the biggest AD's.
And positioning Rolex to the point that they, like Patek, "allow" you to buy a watch from them if you fit their customer criteria.

As with everything else about this topic atm, this is just speculation/theory, but it's one of the more realistic theorys I've come across on this subject.

Cheers,

Max

Right but according to reports they’re “starving” all of their ADs not just smaller ones.

If they really want to do this, doesn’t it seem like they would be much easier and direct ways ?
 
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Right but according to reports they’re “starving” all of their ADs not just smaller ones.

If they really want to do this, doesn’t it seem like they would be much easier and direct ways ?


Maybe. Maybe they have to starve everyone not to get into any legal issues? I don’t know honestly. It‘s not my theory, I just find it one of the more plausible ones.

Plus the big high street AD‘s can take the hit.
 
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Friend of mine picked up a Batman GMT from UK dealer last week and was told they keep the warranty card for 12 months and they would like him to sign a 3 year non sale agreement. First watch the week previously he was originally getting had a bezel blemish that had passed Rolex QC and was missed by the dealer! Only he spotted it and after a couple of days dealer rang him to say the watch was going back to Rolex but they had another one for him ready. Once back in store to collect they were saying that they also had another in the safe they were unable to sell because a previous customer who purchased it had sold it Grey and Rolex traced it to this dealer and requested that they purchase it back to clean the mess up and await further instruction.
No Rolex goodies to say sorry as dealer said they didn’t have any and hadn’t for the last 12 months.
Same here. Manager asked me to sign a contract not to sell the watch at all but I can go home with everything included inside the box.
 
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Lots posts here and haven’t managed to read all of them. Apologies if what I say has already been mentioned.
An AD told me the issue is due to supply, and the supply issue is due to the difficulty in making the ceramic bezels to the exacting specs inc the printing on them and colours (the majority made are rejected) coupled with Rolex not “outsourcing” this part of the production.
Sounds similar to difficulty in creating enamel dials.
However I have no idea if this is true.
 
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Chiming in.

So, what I have in Singapore dealers both AD and Grey marker dealers, is that Rolex is going to increase the price 5% (not sure if it's only UK due to brexit etc) but the last time they told me about it; all the Grey dealers moved up their prices by 5%. Not shitting you guys. It's almost as if it's a syndicate.

Next is, AD Rolex guy himself admitted that Rolex is coming out with subs with the new movements, so the current supply has been very dry. Very possible reason why there are so few subs around.
 
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I'm not a statistician by far (I actually failed that module back in school :O)

But can we do a little math to help our understanding abit better?

1) 2010 was the release, Assuming https://www.quora.com/How-many-Rolex-watches-are-produced-per-year is correct, we can just take a rough number of 1,000,000 Rolex watches are made a year. Can we assume 30% are Submariners? Considering there are datejusts, explorers etc etc. Subrmariners would be the Date, No Date, Hulk etc

2) With that, we have an average and estimated 300,000 Submariners produced from 2010 to 2018 (current production might be halted due to new release and discon but for calculation sake, we will just take 2010 + 2018 as 1 year, considering we are not sure whats the actual production numbers for 2010 and 2018 specificall)

3) 300,000 Submariners X 7 years (2010 + 2018 considered as 1 year), we will have 2,100,000 Submariners in the World today.

4) Can we assume 60-70% of that number is owned by actual watch collectors/wearers/businessmen/21year old bankers who just got their first pay check/ so with that, we have about remaining 735,000 to 740,000 Submariners being sold and bought by WUS/Govberg/Grey dealers/ADs keeping them in the safe....

5) I'm not sure whats the actual number of ADs/Grey dealers in the world, but if we were to throw out a number say, 50,000 shops all over the world, who might have some of these submariners, that would mean each shop would have at least 14-15 Submariners in their shops for sale / Safe. (However this is not quite possible as there is literally no stock)




I guess a better number/some factual numbers might help for point 4 and 5... but what do you guys think?
 
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Same here. Manager asked me to sign a contract not to sell the watch at all but I can go home with everything included inside the box.

That cannot be binding. Are they really going to sue their customers ?