Speedmaster ref. 145.022-69 is in need of a service, what are my options?

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Hello all, this is my first post here.
I recently bought a 145.022-69 Omega Speedmaster with caliber 861 movement (picture below) from the son of a watchmaker who got it as a gift 25 years ago and hasn't used it much in the last 20. The watch has mostly been in a drawer. It hasn't been to a service in those 25 years though, so at least the movement needs a clean-up and re-oiling. The watch runs fine as is, but I'd like to get it serviced to be able to wear it in good conscience.

I'd like to keep the dial and bezel as they are, the hands are a bit grimy, it looks like someone has tried to fix the enamel around the center pivot of most of the hands. And the hand on the bottom sub dial has the enamel missing on the circle around the pivot point (not clearly visible on the photo). NOS, or used in good condition hands with tritium lume would be good if the price is right, would gladly take tips regarding this.

I asked my local AD (in Norway) about service options and cost and was given two options:
- Send to Swatch Group for a standard service, but be prepared to have servicable parts replaced and I'm not to keen on getting updated hands, bezel and dial. I was under the impression that one could request to keep certain parts, but that the service center ultimately replaced parts at their discretion.
Cost: 790 USD
- Send to a local watchmaker that specializes in vintage movements for a service, and he'll keep the original external parts intact and change what needs to be changed for the movement to work as well. Perhaps change the hesalite crystal.
Cost: 813 to 867 USD, parts included.

So that's where I'm at now.
Do you feel the price is fair for the local service?
Are there other options that I should explore?

Thanks for looking.

 
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Hello,
i would prefer to send the watch to a watchmaker who is expert at Omega calibers in order to have a typical maintenance of the caliber.

The cost that you referred (813 to 867 USD) looks too high to my eyes ... If you are not willing to replace the parts of the watch (hands, crown, dial, bezel, etc...) what kind of parts are included in this cost, since it is more expensive than Omega Official Service?

*I wouldn't replace the hesalite crystal.
 
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Hello,
i would prefer to send the watch to a watchmaker who is expert at Omega calibers in order to have a typical maintenance of the caliber.

The cost that you referred (813 to 867 USD) looks too high to my eyes ... If you are not willing to replace the parts of the watch (hands, crown, dial, bezel, etc...) what kind of parts are included in this cost, since it is more expensive than Omega Official Service?

*I wouldn't replace the hesalite crystal.

I'm not sure why the local service is more expensive than Omega's official service, the AD probably gets a piece of the cake referring people to the local watchmaker. The AD said that new parts for the movement and Hesalite would be included in the cost. They recommended replacement of the Hesalite due to water/moisture resistance. With the existing Hesalite being old, there is no guarantee that the seal is tight.
 
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I say find another local watchmaker or a Speedmaster specialist somewhere in the EU. I would not send it to Swatch group.

interesting that the son of a watchmaker never serviced the watch. It’s like the son of a mechanic never changing the oil in his car...
 
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The AD said that new parts for the movement and Hesalite would be included in the cost. They recommended replacement of the Hesalite due to water/moisture resistance. With the existing Hesalite being old, there is no guarantee that the seal is tight.

I understand, this is the procedure that they follow in order to provide you the guarantee.
It depends on what you prefer.

I would neither prefer to replace the parts of the watch..., so i would find another trusted watchmaker and tell him to perform only a maintenance of the caliber without replacing the parts which give the vintage sense to the watch.
 
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Wow, this one looks pretty good! Lovely (original) bezel too! Let me repeat what others have been saying many times in similar threads before; do not send this watch to Omega!
 
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Interesting that the son of a watchmaker never serviced the watch. It’s like the son of a mechanic never changing the oil in his car...

Funny you should say that, as the son ended up becoming a mechanic instead of a watchmaker as his father, haha.
 
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I would neither prefer to replace the parts of the watch..., so i would find another trusted watchmaker and tell him to perform only a maintenance of the caliber without replacing the parts which give the vintage sense to the watch.

Yeah, that's the second option, just a service of the movement and replacement of worn parts pertaining to that. As well as the aforementioned Hesalite replacement due to moisture resistance.
 
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Wow, this one looks pretty good! Lovely (original) bezel too! Let me repeat what others have been saying many times in similar threads before; do not send this watch to Omega!

Thanks!
Yeah, after the watchmakers at the local AD took a look at the watch they recommend sending it to a local specialist instead of to Omega as well, to preserve the watch as much as possible. It's just funny that the local watchmaker is even more expensive that the official service by Omega.
 
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Thanks!
Yeah, after the watchmakers at the local AD took a look at the watch they recommend sending it to a local specialist instead of to Omega as well, to preserve the watch as much as possible. It's just funny that the local watchmaker is even more expensive that the official service by Omega.
Did the AD refer you to the local watchmaker?
Did they offer to send it in for you?

I think you may want to look for another local watchmaker who isn't connected with your AD. This sounds fishy.
 
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Omega has been known to be overzealous on reconditioning the case and replacing parts even when requesting not to touch them so it may not be a bad idea. Try to get references on the watchmaker (from here or elsewhere)
 
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Did the AD refer you to the local watchmaker?
Did they offer to send it in for you?

I think you may want to look for another local watchmaker who isn't connected with your AD. This sounds fishy.

Yes and yes. I think my options for a local and competent watchmaker who can service a 861 caliber from 1969 are severely limited. but I just don't know.
Another option would be to send it overseas (which I'd rather not do) to an independent watchmaker.
A colleague of mine also has a 145.022-69 that he had serviced by Christian at watchguy.co.uk: https://watchguy.co.uk/service-omega-speedmaster-moonwatch-calibre-861/
I'd prefer to get it serviced locally though.
 
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Omega has been known to be overzealous on reconditioning the case and replacing parts even when requesting not to touch them so it may not be a bad idea. Try to get references on the watchmaker (from here or elsewhere)

I'll try to get the AD to let me know who the watchmaker is, I'd prefer it if I could chat with him directly.
 
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I'll try to get the AD to let me know who the watchmaker is, I'd prefer it if I could chat with him directly.

Direct to watchmaker is better than any employee/staff member that may forget to communicate your request with the watchmaker good luck
 
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I'll try to get the AD to let me know who the watchmaker is, I'd prefer it if I could chat with him directly.
@Biezmez has had service done in Norway. He says it usually costs about 2500kr. You could try asking him for recommendation.
 
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USD 813-867 for the local watchmaker sounds high but Norway's expensive. If it was mine, I'd first get a couple of estimates from watchmakers elsewhere in Europe for comparison, especially as you don't have a trusted go-to guy in Norway. I'm sure plenty of people here can recommend watchmakers.
 
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I just spoke to a different person from the AD on the phone now and she said they were reluctant to give out contact information to the watchmaker that would do the service locally.
A bit dodgy, but I can understand that they want to avoid me eliminating the middle-man, i.e. the AD and going to the watchmaker directly.

She also didn't understand why the local watchmaker priced himself higher than the official service from Swatch Group and actually recommended that I send it to Swatch Group (counter to what the other employee(s) recommended yesterday), and that they'd take extra care in specifying that the externals of the watch should be kept as they are.

I can't say I am much wiser after that conversation...
 
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that they'd take extra care in specifying that the externals of the watch should be kept as they are.
This is false.
She was either lying or engaged in wishful thinking. I will be generous and imagine she was simply naïve.
Swatch group is notorious for acting according to their own standards and ignoring customer requests. Their goal is to raise the watch to a level Swatch thinks "perfects" it. If they see any part they don't like, they will replace with a modern equivalent. You can request that they leave certain things alone, and they might honor that, but they will always rely on their own discretion— not yours.

It gets worse the older things are. I don't know how they treat SMPs like yours. You might get lucky, or you might not. If all you care about is making the watch functional, and are not concerned with aesthetics or collectible value, you won't be disappointed. Swatch servicing is very good at making watches function.