Speedmaster ref. 145.022-69 is in need of a service, what are my options?

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In your shoes, I would not send the watch to Omega and find, as others have stated, a competent watchmaker that can properly service a vintage Speedy without destroying it's, for lack of term, 'soul'.
 
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In your shoes, I would not send the watch to Omega and find, as others have stated, a competent watchmaker that can properly service a vintage Speedy without destroying it's, for lack of term, 'soul'.
My sense is that if I had a vintage watch with charm - like this one - I would not send it to Omega. If I had one that was utterly trashed, and wanted to get something that looked like new, I would. Am I wrong in my impression?
 
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My sense is that if I had a vintage watch with charm - like this one - I would not send it to Omega. If I had one that was utterly trashed, and wanted to get something that looked like new, I would. Am I wrong in my impression?

I mean, a good watchmaker could also make a trashed watch 'look new', but sometimes it's worth restoring things without replacing everything; I guess it's case-by-case.
 
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This is false.
She was either lying or engaged in wishful thinking. I will be generous and imagine she was simply naïve.
Swatch group is notorious for acting according to their own standards and ignoring customer requests. Their goal is to raise the watch to a level Swatch thinks "perfects" it. If they see any part they don't like, they will replace with a modern equivalent. You can request that they leave certain things alone, and they might honor that, but they will always rely on their own discretion— not yours.

It gets worse the older things are. I don't know how they treat SMPs like yours. You might get lucky, or you might not. If all you care about is making the watch functional, and are not concerned with aesthetics or collectible value, you won't be disappointed. Swatch servicing is very good at making watches function.

I think a complete service at Swatch Group is pretty much out of the question.

I got some good tips from @Biezmez on independent watchmakers that I'll check out out before making a decision.
 
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I'm leaning more and more towards replacing the hands though, as the tritium on the minute and hour hand is all but gone, and what's left might fall off and rattle around inside the case/dial. I don't think that would be a great scenario.
 
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I'm leaning more and more towards replacing the hands though, as the tritium on the minute and hour hand is all but gone, and what's left might fall off and rattle around inside the case/dial. I don't think that would be a great scenario.

Just get the original hands redone with new color matching lume. It will be more expensive to replace the hands and even then you’ll need to get them relumed because it probably won’t match the rest of the dial
 
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Just get the original hands redone with new color matching lume. It will be more expensive to replace the hands and even then you’ll need to get them relumed because it probably won’t match the rest of the dial

Excuse my ignorance, but I'm not very knowledgeable with regards to reluming.
I know it's done, but not who does it and to what level it can be done. Do I need to find a watchmaker who can do the service and relume the hands? Or do I need to get the hands removed and send them to a separate specialist to get them relumed?
I have to mention that the white enamel on the hands is pretty grimy and even missing on a part of the bottom sub-dial hand as well.

Would buying a set of hands like this and getting them tinted to match the look of the existing hands be sacrilege?
 
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Hello Martin,

Welcome to the forum and nice watch.

I know you stated that you didn't want to send the watch abroad but before you make a final decision you need check out and seriously consider Simon Freese in the UK.

http://www.simonfreesewatchmakers.com/about-1/

Simon will do exactly what you have in mind as he knows what these watches require - he does this all the time and I have had many watches sorted out by him. He can also deal with luming your original hands and I would not replace them.

Simon is familiar with dealing with watches from abroad and as this will be a one off exercise for you the right guy is more important than geographical location.

Hope it all goes well for you.

Jack
 
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Hello Martin,

Welcome to the forum and nice watch.

I know you stated that you didn't want to send the watch abroad but before you make a final decision you need check out and seriously consider Simon Freese in the UK.

http://www.simonfreesewatchmakers.com/about-1/

Simon will do exactly what you have in mind as he knows what these watches require - he does this all the time and I have had many watches sorted out by him. He can also deal with luming your original hands and I would not replace them.

Simon is familiar with dealing with watches from abroad and as this will be a one off exercise for you the right guy is more important than geographical location.

Hope it all goes well for you.

Jack

Thank you for the suggestion. @Biezmez also recommended to get in touch with Simon Freese, but I wasn't aware that he could relume original hands, that's a big plus.

I sent him an e-mail yesterday and got a nice reply this morning.
 
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The watch is currently on its way to Simon Freese who will give it a sympathetic service.

Fully insured shipping from Norway to UK using DHL costs just over 100 GBP.

Then it's the service itself and the shipping back to me, as well as VAT and customs fees on the value of the service and shipping, so this quickly adds up to about the same as a local service would cost.
But it's a lot better option than going through a local AD that will send it to a watchmaker I don't know and can't even talk to.

I'm looking forward to getting it serviced and start using and enjoying the watch.
 
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This is a time that I would choose not to send my watch to Omega. There is a lot of good original stuff to keep intact. This needs a conservation treatment, not a restoration.
 
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This is a time that I would choose not to send my watch to Omega. There is a lot of good original stuff to keep intact. This needs a conservation treatment, not a restoration.

Yes, and that's what it's going to get being serviced by Simon Freese.
 
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Yes, and that's what it's going to get being serviced by Simon Freese.

You shouldn't have to pay VAT or customs when the watch is returned to you.

I can guarantee you'll be much happier with the result from Simon.
 
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You shouldn't have to pay VAT or customs when the watch is returned to you.

I contacted norwegian customs regarding this and they said I have to pay 25% VAT on the service cost and shipping fees (both ways), unless the repair/service is covered by warranty.
 
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You shouldn't have to pay VAT or customs when the watch is returned to you.

Laws in most countries disagree with you. When something is sent out of country for repairs, there is value added by the item being repaired, and most countries will charge duties and taxes on the added value (the value of the repairs).

This is why when I ship a watch back to another country that I have repaired, I fill out several forms to ensure that it's only the value of the repair that is declared as value for customs purposes, not the insured value of the watch. It's important that the watchmaker knows how to do this properly, so that you don't get stung for the full value of the watch.

Well I guess honesty isn't always the best policy.

Not a great idea to commit fraud...
 
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Good information to have.

I however have never had any problems and I’m in the overzealous U.K.

I send it both ways as watch parts for repair and leave it at that.
Laws in most countries disagree with you. When something is sent out of country for repairs, there is value added by the item being repaired, and most countries will charge duties and taxes on the added value (the value of the repairs).

This is why when I ship a watch back to another country that I have repaired, I fill out several forms to ensure that it's only the value of the repair that is declared as value for customs purposes, not the insured value of the watch. It's important that the watchmaker knows how to do this properly, so that you don't get stung for the full value of the watch.



Not a great idea to commit fraud...