Speedmaster 1968, but what age and originality are the parts?

Petervl · Feb 10, 2019

Hi all Speedmaster experts.

I know Little about the Speedmasters, I am a 40´s 50,s guy, I have read up from the book "Moonwatch Only" but still do not get this together.

Watch is a 145012-67 with movment number 25.007.456. It comes with a extract stating production to March 1968.

I include a lot of Pictures, but here are what i see.

Dial, I can not get any grip of it,there is no dial which confirms to this one, none. Not a service one not any year, so is it a fake? It looks to be original tritium though.

The hands, the minute and hour looks to be C2 but I Think second is a C3 ?

Bezel loks to be a period for the watch, B1.

Movement are a period 321 and case are period.

So, what do i have here? And what do you recomend me to do with it?

All info and suggestions are highly apprciated

Peter.

Cipolla · Feb 10, 2019

Good pictures for evaluation, seconds wrong for your period.
Caseback scratchy.
Bezel DON in acceptable condition, fine! One of the expensive parts are good.
Case looks a bit polished anyhow never sell it, wear it.

For the dial seriosly other members can tell more
Than me.
Once more Don’t sell it! 😀

Cipolla · Feb 10, 2019

Checked the Moonwatch only app... hmm see what you mean. You should have an applied logo

eugeneandresson · Feb 10, 2019

The dial has no step either... it could be an early to mid 70s service dial for an Ed White (or earlier straight lug), post step and post AML, pre getting all the details right. A member here has a similar one on his 145.012, but if I recall with ‘professional’ text.

smitty190373 · Feb 10, 2019

Cipolla
seconds wrong for your period.

Flat end chrono hand acceptable i.m.o

corn18 · Feb 10, 2019

Something seriously wrong with the dial. It's not stepped. Doesn't say professional. No applied logo.

bikehomero · Feb 10, 2019

In addition, it has a close T distance and the "m" in Speedmaster looks like a rounded first arm. Maybe a service dial for 105.003, don't know if the non applied logo is a nogo. The missing step seems usual for service dials.

OMEGuy · Feb 10, 2019

I think that movement serial number, reference and production date are matching.

The dial is a service dial. The hands seem to be service parts and the crown as well.

The case including bezel looks correct, but has been polished.

The watch was formerly worn on a steel bracelet. One can still see the traces of the end pieces on the under side of the lugs.

athom · Feb 10, 2019

Wrong dial for sure ! I'd not !

padders · Feb 10, 2019

eugeneandresson
The dial has no step either... it could be an early to mid 70s service dial for an Ed White (or earlier straight lug), post step and post AML, pre getting all the details right. A member here has a similar one on his 145.012, but if I recall with ‘professional’ text.

Possibly you mean me? My 145.012-68 has a non-AML Pro dial but it does have the step, suggesting it is a service dial from circa ~1969-1972. I would guess that as mentioned above, this is a post AML, post step tritium era service dial for a straight lug. ie from sometime ~1974 to 1997, though the narrow Ts are interesting.

eugeneandresson · Feb 10, 2019

padders
Possibly you mean me?

Indeed yes 😀

padders
My 145.012-68 has a non-AML Pro dial but it does have the step,

Memory and the curse of old age ... forgot that yours has a step, which makes it pretty special IMHO.

dscoogs · Feb 10, 2019

The dial looks like a service dial pictured here - http://speedmaster101.com/blog/calibre-321-service-dials/
2nd watch from the left - 2nd picture from the top with 4 watches side by side.

stefman · Feb 10, 2019

dscoogs
The dial looks like a service dial pictured here - http://speedmaster101.com/blog/calibre-321-service-dials/
2nd watch from the left - 2nd picture from the top with 4 watches side by side.

Seems like a service dial fitted to the wrong watch. The good news is you can most probably get the correct dial somewhere out there.

OMEGuy · Feb 10, 2019

dscoogs
The dial looks like a service dial pictured here - http://speedmaster101.com/blog/calibre-321-service-dials/
2nd watch from the left - 2nd picture from the top with 4 watches side by side.

And pictured here:

https://omegaforums.net/threads/speedmaster-service-dial-reference-thread.73250/

1st from the top...😀

Petervl · Feb 10, 2019

dscoogs
The dial looks like a service dial pictured here - http://speedmaster101.com/blog/calibre-321-service-dials/
2nd watch from the left - 2nd picture from the top with 4 watches side by side.

Yes, that is the same, interesting, wonder when it is from, and should I just keep it or try to get the correct one?

padders · Feb 10, 2019

@OMEGuy I probably owe you an apology as a few months ago I accused you of speedposting/post farming with a view to selling. I freely accept I was wide of the mark as your contributions are often insightful and helpful.

Petervl · Feb 10, 2019

padders
@OMEGuy I probably owe you an apology as a few months ago I accused you of speedposting/post farming with a view to selling. I freely accept I was wide of the mark as your contributions are often insightful and helpful.

Gladly accepted!! Thanks for being so nice!

padders · Feb 10, 2019

Petervl
Gladly accepted!! Thanks for being so nice!

Absolutely no offence intended Peter but my comment was aimed at another contributor. I haven’t to my knowledge accused you of anything, nor do I intend to so no apology is really needed! 👍

Petervl · Feb 10, 2019

Yes, I never noticed you had done so eather, but could have been done at some post i did not notice, so then all good……… No apology needed and Life goes on 😀 😀

OMEGuy · Feb 10, 2019

padders
@OMEGuy I probably owe you an apology as a few months ago I accused you of speedposting/post farming with a view to selling. I freely accept I was wide of the mark as your contributions are often insightful and helpful.

@padders Thank you for your kind and open words... I remember your hidden accusations a couple of weeks ago and meanwhile I do understand why you posted them. No problem, I like open minded people who say what they think. 👍

So there's no need for apologies.

The other way round I really appreciate that you felt that in the short time I've been here I contributed something helpful.

I'm not a social media guy at all. But registering here on this forums was one thing I wanted. There's so much knowlegde, experience, information and friendlyness, I simply couldn't resist.

And your open words are the best proof for me, that I got right, just right here - with guys like you. 😀

Speedmaster 1968, but what age and originality are the parts?

Petervl

Cipolla

Cipolla

eugeneandresson

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corn18

bikehomero

OMEGuy

athom

padders

eugeneandresson

dscoogs

stefman

OMEGuy

Petervl

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Petervl

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