Sloppy QC on a New Seamaster Diver 300M

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Here it is:
Kind of grainy (pic taken at midnight). Would you accept this as “within tolerance”?

It only lines up to 12 around 2-3 minutes past the hour.

I get it’s not a huge deal, but it’s one of those things you can’t “unsee” after noticing it.

When checking this, always line up the hour hand to the marker, and then we can see where the minute hand hits.
 
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If you stare at the display back of any watch long enough, you will spot a blemish or an imperfection of the finish. Ive learnt after owning more than a hundred watches to live with minor imperfections and just enjoy wearing the watch.

After you dinged or scratch the watch for the first time, you will forget about minor imperfections.
 
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AI, your feedback would be highly appreciated.

That is actually how it's checked, not with the minute hand lined up. This way you can clearly see the extent of the misalignment.

My feedback doesn't matter - only Omega's does in terms of getting this resolved. I would certainly never let a watch leave my shop looking like this, but I am very particular regarding hand alignment.

Heading out to play tennis, but will comment again when I get back...
 
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The scratch at 40 on the bezel really annoys me.



A bit of lint in a movement 😗


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That is actually how it's checked, not with the minute hand lined up. This way you can clearly see the extent of the misalignment.

My feedback doesn't matter - only Omega's does in terms of getting this resolved. I would certainly never let a watch leave my shop looking like this, but I am very particular regarding hand alignment.

Heading out to play tennis, but will comment again when I get back...
Thanks, and looking forward to your comments.
 
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With the level of unsolicited ridicule this thread is receiving, I’ll probably end it here.

Special thanks to AI and the other more mature members of the forum for their professionalism and contributions.

For the others, I’d like to remind you of a quote from Mike from AMC’s Breaking Bad:
 
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I'm guessing the OP removed the picture of the misaligned hand? I see nothing.
 
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I assume the OP's work product is always 100% perfect.
 
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Also it’s like that when the hour hand hits every index (for those who may say this only happens at 12AM, etc.)

Right, it's just easier to see at 12 and 12.
 
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Does anyone remember the thread where the guy got sick of staying up to midnight each night to view the date change and Dennis just told him he could wind the watch to 11:50pm any time of the day and he didn’t have to stay up night after night 😁😁

Love this hobby 😉
 
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Does anyone remember the thread where the guy got sick of staying up to midnight each night to view the date change and Dennis just told him he could wind the watch to 11:50pm any time of the day and he didn’t have to stay up night after night 😁😁

Love this hobby 😉
And don't we all miss him now.
 
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Thanks, and looking forward to your comments.

So everything has a tolerance, and for hand fitting, Omega spells out the procedures and tolerances in Work Instruction 43.

This work instruction covers a lot of ground, so everything from the equipment used, to procedures for fitting hands on all kinds of different watches, procedures for removing hands from normal and delicate dials, procedures for curving hands and when that is required, etc. These work instructions are constantly being updated, so each time they are I download a new version, and keep the old one to track changes.

If I go back to say the 2010 version, there is a tolerance shown using an image. I can't reproduce that image, but I can recreate it...



So the check is done at mid-day. with the hour hand lined up at 12, and the implication is that the red lines indicate the tolerance, although this is never explicitly stated. However on a previous image, they show the tolerance for the calendar jump the same way, which I know is +/- 10 minutes from other documents, and the red lines are shown at 11:50 and 12:10, so we can safely assume that the hand fitting tolerance is +/- 2 minutes based on that image.

So I went through the many revisions of this work instruction I have on file, and in 2020 the image changes. The red lines are gone. Now it just states to check the alignment at mid-day, and shows the hands lined up perfectly at 12.

So what to make of this? Hard to say, but the work instruction was updated in 2021 again, and the diagram still has no lines. Does this mean that Omega has no tolerance so anything goes? No, I would more likely assume this is some sort of error in the updating of the document, than an abandonment of all tolerances for hand fitting.

So when the OP was told that the hands being 3 minutes out were within tolerances, I'm not sure what tolerances the person he spoke to was referring to. The comment that a watchmaker apparently said, that it was "impossible" to line them up due to time train slack, is nonsense, as I and other watchmakers fit hands every day that line up properly. These are however most likely installed by a machine, so if the slack is not properly taken out of the time train, then the hands might be out even if they were 100% aligned with each other when they were installed.

If one can live with this misalignment or not is a personal thing. It's an easy fix, and if the OP has already the case back opened to remove debris, then having it opened again to reset the hands just isn't a big deal. A boutique watchmaker should be able to do this in literally a few minutes.

If the OP wants to pursue this, he just has to find the right person to talk to about it, who will not just say it's within tolerance and send him on his way. Like any other large corporation sometimes you have to work to get something resolved.

Cheers, Al
 
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So everything has a tolerance, and for hand fitting, Omega spells out the procedures and tolerances in Work Instruction 43.

This work instruction covers a lot of ground, so everything from the equipment used, to procedures for fitting hands on all kinds of different watches, procedures for removing hands from normal and delicate dials, procedures for curving hands and when that is required, etc. These work instructions are constantly being updated, so each time they are I download a new version, and keep the old one to track changes.

If I go back to say the 2010 version, there is a tolerance shown using an image. I can't reproduce that image, but I can recreate it...



So the check is done at mid-day. with the hour hand lined up at 12, and the implication is that the red lines indicate the tolerance, although this is never explicitly stated. However on a previous image, they show the tolerance for the calendar jump the same way, which I know is +/- 10 minutes from other documents, and the red lines are shown at 11:50 and 12:10, so we can safely assume that the hand fitting tolerance is +/- 2 minutes based on that image.

So I went through the many revisions of this work instruction I have on file, and in 2020 the image changes. The red lines are gone. Now it just states to check the alignment at mid-day, and shows the hands lined up perfectly at 12.

So what to make of this? Hard to say, but the work instruction was updated in 2021 again, and the diagram still has no lines. Does this mean that Omega has no tolerance so anything goes? No, I would more likely assume this is some sort of error in the updating of the document, than an abandonment of all tolerances for hand fitting.

So when the OP was told that the hands being 3 minutes out were within tolerances, I'm not sure what tolerances the person he spoke to was referring to. The comment that a watchmaker apparently said, that it was "impossible" to line them up due to time train slack, is nonsense, as I and other watchmakers fit hands every day that line up properly. These are however most likely installed by a machine, so if the slack is not properly taken out of the time train, then the hands might be out even if they were 100% aligned with each other when they were installed.

If one can live with this misalignment or not is a personal thing. It's an easy fix, and if the OP has already the case back opened to remove debris, then having it opened again to reset the hands just isn't a big deal. A boutique watchmaker should be able to do this in literally a few minutes.

If the OP wants to pursue this, he just has to find the right person to talk to about it, who will not just say it's within tolerance and send him on his way. Like any other large corporation sometimes you have to work to get something resolved.

Cheers, Al
Thanks AI. I don’t think I could have gotten a more informative answer than that.

For what it’s worth, the hands do perfectly align when you rotate the crown counter clockwise. However, when you rotate clockwise (and when the movement is in operation) you get the 2-3 minute misalignment. I’m guessing this is the “lag”?

Many thanks again for all you do.
 
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Thanks AI. I don’t think I could have gotten a more informative answer than that.

For what it’s worth, the hands do perfectly align when you rotate the crown counter clockwise. However, when you rotate clockwise (and when the movement is in operation) you get the 2-3 minute misalignment. I’m guessing this is the “lag”?

Many thanks again for all you do.

It's always checked in the clockwise direction. There's backlash in the teeth of the time train, and that should be taken up before the hands are installed to prevent this exact situation.
 
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And in my eyes, the watch was riddled with QC issues (apart from misaligned hand and debris - there were actually a few scratches on the case, probably from handling at the showroom, which I never brought up because these things happen). The watch also runs really fast in the dial up position, which I’m behaviourally managing by never resting the watch dial up.

Scratches, marks or nicks that occur after a watch has left the factory are not QC issues. They can reflect poor management and handling of store stock but that's not the manufacturer's fault. I think you have blown the misaligned hands up to the point where you see faults everytime you look at the watch, that's not good. Only you can work through this, but don't let a tiny issue ruin your happiness. The fact that the misalignment wasn't noticed for a few months indicates that it doesn't impact accurate time telling.
 
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It's always checked in the clockwise direction. There's backlash in the teeth of the time train, and that should be taken up before the hands are installed to prevent this exact situation.
That makes sense. Thanks again AI. Would that still be considered an easy fix?
 
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That makes sense. Thanks again AI. Would that still be considered an easy fix?

Yes, very easy for any competent watchmaker. The hands are moved, the time set taking up the slack, and then the hands are pressed on again.
 
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Yes, very easy for any competent watchmaker. The hands are moved, the time set taking up the slack, and then the hands are pressed on again.
You’re a life saver. Thanks again. This is very much appreciated.