Sloppy QC on a New Seamaster Diver 300M

Posts
1,438
Likes
2,213
I have to give it to Omega though they never disappointed me when it came to customer support. They must have the best CS of any major brand. Although some local ADs or Boutiques might play it hard, one single email to headquarters and everything gets fixed. I got a watch replaced two times and after that i also got a hand written note apologizing for my issues and they even mailed me some Omega branded gifts. All from HQ in Switzerland. I have also had a few conversations with the CEO through messages on Instagram. They listen to their customers.

Me too. I've had exactly one problem with an Omega, and it got fixed within a few weeks under warranty and came back with various goodies and in as-new condition.

I have had FAR more irritating and ongoing issues with Rolex, Breguet and other marques in terms of service delays and issues and overall arsiness, but in those cases also the issues were eventually resolved. Omega takes CS seriously and it shows.
 
Posts
29,672
Likes
76,832
It’s been a very interesting conversation, but I’ve come to realize it was probably best to not bring this issue up here.

Bringing it up here is fine. As I’ve said, you aren’t the first to do so, and you won’t be the last. However, some of your comments have been a little over the top, like this...

Because I’m almost certain the replacement will either be a refurbished piece, a returned watch, or a watch with other QC issues - or perhaps a mix of the three.

You talked about constructive criticism, but I’m really not sure what you expect to have happen here on the forum.

The nature of forums is that people will give their views on your posts, and not all of them will align with what you are feeling. If a “good faith” discussion is only people agreeing with you, again expectations are a problem.
 
Posts
56
Likes
10
Bringing it up here is fine. As I’ve said, you aren’t the first to do so, and you won’t be the last. However, some of your comments have been a little over the top, like this...
The only reason I said that is because a brand new, fully-stickered, 2021 watch from an Omega boutique came riddled with all these minor QC issues.

A replacement watch? I don’t even want to begin to imagine the potential issues.

I’ll simply get the hand misalignment sorted during the next service (7 years from now, I guess) or via an Omega service center in another jurisdiction.
 
Posts
1,579
Likes
15,222
The only reason I said that is because a brand new, fully-stickered, 2021 watch from an Omega boutique came riddled with all these minor QC issues.

A replacement watch? I don’t even want to begin to imagine the potential issues.

I’ll simply get the hand misalignment sorted during the next service (7 years from now, I guess) or via an Omega service center in another jurisdiction.

Are so terminally obtuse that you can’t see how over the top your comments are? You’re not trying to have any kind of good faith discussion about QC issues when you say “riddled with all these” issues. Anyone halfway fluent in English would read that and think you had bought a watch with scratches, with a misprinted dial, poorly regulated, and an applied index fell off.

You had legitimate gripes that can and should be taken care of. You need to take a deep breath and realize you’ve wasted tons of time endlessly talking about a tiny - 1/64” inch long hair of debris on your movement and misaligned hands. That’s two (2) QC issues. Not 3, not 4, and by no stretch “riddled.”

Based on this vast experience with new Omega watches, you declare that a replacement watch would necessarily be worse. Anyone (I’m sure this includes me now) who doesn’t want to join you in storming Omega HQ with torches and pitchforks must be on the payroll, or happy to ignore a flaw in a new watch, or attacking you ad hominem.

I’ve read dozens of posts in your two threads about your watch’s two flaws. Virtually all of them suggested getting Omega to fix the watch, or assuring you they would, or commiserating with you on having this problem. I don’t recall anyone telling you to “live with it.” Yet, you were argumentative with half the people trying to help or posting their thoughts.

Now, you say you’ll just get the hands aligned in SEVEN YEARS or maybe at a service center in another jurisdiction. Do you hear yourself? Assuming this is the attitude you came in to the service center with, I’m surprised they didn’t buy the watch back from you on the spot and refer you to whatever local dealer they despised the most.

I guess I’ll just wait for my next free stock shares. You got this, right, Omega?

🙄
 
Posts
38
Likes
25
It’s kind of like a think tank full of gasoline…

“Hey bro, got a light?”
 
Posts
56
Likes
10
Are so terminally obtuse that you can’t see how over the top your comments are? You’re not trying to have any kind of good faith discussion about QC issues when you say “riddled with all these” issues. Anyone halfway fluent in English would read that and think you had bought a watch with scratches, with a misprinted dial, poorly regulated, and an applied index fell off.

You had legitimate gripes that can and should be taken care of. You need to take a deep breath and realize you’ve wasted tons of time endlessly talking about a tiny - 1/64” inch long hair of debris on your movement and misaligned hands. That’s two (2) QC issues. Not 3, not 4, and by no stretch “riddled.”

Based on this vast experience with new Omega watches, you declare that a replacement watch would necessarily be worse. Anyone (I’m sure this includes me now) who doesn’t want to join you in storming Omega HQ with torches and pitchforks must be on the payroll, or happy to ignore a flaw in a new watch, or attacking you ad hominem.

I’ve read dozens of posts in your two threads about your watch’s two flaws. Virtually all of them suggested getting Omega to fix the watch, or assuring you they would, or commiserating with you on having this problem. I don’t recall anyone telling you to “live with it.” Yet, you were argumentative with half the people trying to help or posting their thoughts.

Now, you say you’ll just get the hands aligned in SEVEN YEARS or maybe at a service center in another jurisdiction. Do you hear yourself? Assuming this is the attitude you came in to the service center with, I’m surprised they didn’t buy the watch back from you on the spot and refer you to whatever local dealer they despised the most.

I guess I’ll just wait for my next free stock shares. You got this, right, Omega?

🙄
For the record, no one ever brought up any form of violence (especially not me) towards anyone or anywhere in any of the posts/replies. Not sure where you got that from.

And in my eyes, the watch was riddled with QC issues (apart from misaligned hand and debris - there were actually a few scratches on the case, probably from handling at the showroom, which I never brought up because these things happen). The watch also runs really fast in the dial up position, which I’m behaviourally managing by never resting the watch dial up.

If you also read the thread, you’d realize Omega refused servicing the hour hand misalignment I have, stating it’s within tolerance (3 minutes off).
 
Posts
6,598
Likes
26,722
there were actually a few scratches on the case, probably from handling at the showroom, which I never brought up because these things happen).
Based on this post of yours
Roughly three months ago I purchased a brand new Seamaster Diver 300M from an Omega boutique
I’m willing to bet those scratches came you and you’re just now seeing them as you’re now over scrutinizing your watch. Three months is more than enough time to establish your own wear marks
Edited:
 
Posts
34,271
Likes
38,891
Half the reason I almost always buy used is so I can blame the last guy for any scratches instead of myself and worry less
 
Posts
8,890
Likes
28,370
Half the reason I almost always buy used is so I can blame the last guy for any scratches instead of myself and worry less

I’m currently blaming 80 odd years of other owners for scratches - and omega for their shoddy QC work that allowed both the use of radium (fools!) and caused the tail of the sweep second hand to fall off at some point after 1946. How dare they?! 😗

 
Posts
56
Likes
10
Based on this post of yours

I’m willing to bet those scratches came you and you’re just now seeing them as you’re now over scrutinizing your watch. Three months is more than enough time to establish your own wear marks
They were there from day one. I noticed them when I noticed the debris on the movement (a few hours after the purchase, and before putting it on wrist). But I don’t care about scratches… I didn’t buy the watch to display it.

The hand misalignment though, I noticed that recently (i.e., a few months after the purchase).
 
Posts
1,579
Likes
15,222
The guy who noticed case scratches before purchase and a piece of detritus on the movement as soon as he removed the case sticker from the display back didn’t notice the misalignment of the hands for three months?

I’ve got to point out that after going on for pages about the hands being misaligned, OP starts a new thread to complain about the tiny detritus she found, although he admits Omega fixed it immediately for them.

What I find really strange and discordant about the story is this, from OPs first post:

Roughly three months ago I purchased a brand new Seamaster Diver 300M from an Omega boutique (with a 5-yr warranty)

I’ve recently noticed that the hour hand is misaligned by about 3 minutes (evident in the photos). It’s obviously bothering me, how should I go about fixing this??

I would really hate having the watch opened up (creating a potential for scratches, dust, WR compromise, etc.), and a replacement seems far-fetched. How would you approach this? Thanks!

OP express concern here, and pushes back again later, about not wanting to open the watch up to repair the hands because reasons. (See his own words above.). However, OP leaves out that the watch has already been opened, at his request, by Omega, to remove the tiny hairlike debris he noticed on the movement. Why was opening the watch for that not going to cause scratches OP later says don’t bother him anyway? Why will opening the watch to fix the hands compromise the water resistance, but opening it to remove dust won’t?

OPs story isn’t holding together. The two threads are in conflict. In one, he doesn’t notice misaligned hands for three months and is concerned about a service center opening the watch potentially causing scratches and introducing dust. In the other, OP immediately notices tiny case scratches (but buys anyway) and a tiny piece of something in the movement - and has the case opened by Omega to remove it. In one thread, Omega does what I would expect and fixes the QC problem straightaway. In the next, they refuse and supposedly tell him they won’t fix the misaligned hands, feeding OP a line about a fairly obvious alignment issue as within tolerance.

Omega-hating troll? Rolex employee? Extremely argumentative customer? Who knows. At best, I strongly suspect the misaligned hands are a new development. It’s hard to believe a customer with an eye that notices handling marks and tiny particles you need a loupe to see didn’t notice misaligned hands for three months, and in those three months changed his attitude about opening a watch for repair 180 degrees.
 
Posts
56
Likes
10
The guy who noticed case scratches before purchase and a piece of detritus on the movement as soon as he removed the case sticker from the display back didn’t notice the misalignment of the hands for three months?

I’ve got to point out that after going on for pages about the hands being misaligned, OP starts a new thread to complain about the tiny detritus she found, although he admits Omega fixed it immediately for them.

What I find really strange and discordant about the story is this, from OPs first post:



OP express concern here, and pushes back again later, about not wanting to open the watch up to repair the hands because reasons. (See his own words above.). However, OP leaves out that the watch has already been opened, at his request, by Omega, to remove the tiny hairlike debris he noticed on the movement. Why was opening the watch for that not going to cause scratches OP later says don’t bother him anyway? Why will opening the watch to fix the hands compromise the water resistance, but opening it to remove dust won’t?

OPs story isn’t holding together. The two threads are in conflict. In one, he doesn’t notice misaligned hands for three months and is concerned about a service center opening the watch potentially causing scratches and introducing dust. In the other, OP immediately notices tiny case scratches (but buys anyway) and a tiny piece of something in the movement - and has the case opened by Omega to remove it. In one thread, Omega does what I would expect and fixes the QC problem straightaway. In the next, they refuse and supposedly tell him they won’t fix the misaligned hands, feeding OP a line about a fairly obvious alignment issue as within tolerance.

Omega-hating troll? Rolex employee? Extremely argumentative customer? Who knows. At best, I strongly suspect the misaligned hands are a new development. It’s hard to believe a customer with an eye that notices handling marks and tiny particles you need a loupe to see didn’t notice misaligned hands for three months, and in those three months changed his attitude about opening a watch for repair 180 degrees.
Again with the baseless personal attacks. There’s a huge difference between (a) opening a caseback for a quick removal of debris, and (b) opening the caseback, removing the entire movement from the case, removing the hands, re-applying them, etc.

The first time the watchmaker opened it up, he removed the debris quickly (with some sort of blue clay bar), took a photo for his reference and closed it up. The whole thing took a couple minutes.

The hands issue seems a bit more of an intensive fix, don’t you think? Seriously a futile endeavour with some of you on this forum.
 
Posts
56
Likes
10
In the next, they refuse and supposedly tell him they won’t fix the misaligned hands, feeding OP a line about a fairly obvious alignment issue as within tolerance.
They said a 3-minute misalignment is within tolerance (citing normal and necessary gear slack in the movement). The service center in my area won’t fix it. What part of that don’t you comprehend?!
 
Posts
65
Likes
120
If you are expecting perfection, you need to move up the horological ladder a long ways from where you are to get it. These, like Rolex and other similar bands, are massed produced mid-tier watches.

No one wants to see these problems, but they will happen, no matter how much people argue that a (insert number here) price they shouldn't.

You are not the first person to come to this or other forums asking these questions, and you won't be the last. Some may see this post as "push back" on you or some other such nonsense, but it isn't. But these aren't some massive revelations that we are all seeing for the first time.

Expectations can be a bitch, I know.

Cheers, Al

I'm sorry but I respectfully disagree. Last Spring I purchased a P-51 Chronograph from AVI-8 for less than $300 bucks to commemorate my flight in a WWII P-51. The watch keeps remarkable time, the dial is perfect, and the hands line up exactly.. Omega certainly ought to be able to do the same on watches that cost thousands, even at a discount.
 
Posts
1,396
Likes
2,706
OP - Omega make great watches, 99.99% will leave the factory in perfect condition, they will be received by their owners and loved for many many years. But, there is the occasional watch that has an issue, this is usually rectified quickly and without issue, although as others have mentioned it can rumble on for a while but ultimately is resolved to the customers satisfaction.

You have jumped onto the forum expecting everyone to agree that Omega's QC is poor when in fact it is anything but, sure there will be glitches from time to time and the use of high powered loupes and macro lenses has allowed us to see what our own eyes cannot.

How about posting some pictures of this 3 minute misalignment so that we can see what you are talking about.

I also notice that a fair number of your posts have been edited / deleted, any reason for this, maybe the mods have done this.
 
Posts
34,271
Likes
38,891
A couple of posts were just people attacking each other which isn’t necessary in a watch discussion.
 
Posts
1,396
Likes
2,706
A couple of posts were just people attacking each other which isn’t necessary in a watch discussion.

Okay fair comment and noted.
 
Posts
29,672
Likes
76,832
I'm sorry but I respectfully disagree. Last Spring I purchased a P-51 Chronograph from AVI-8 for less than $300 bucks to commemorate my flight in a WWII P-51. The watch keeps remarkable time, the dial is perfect, and the hands line up exactly.. Omega certainly ought to be able to do the same on watches that cost thousands, even at a discount.

You can disagree all you want, but since Omega occasionally sends out watches with misaligned hands despite your disagreement, I'm not sure what disagreeing really accomplishes.

You can certainly used flawed logic by showing us one example of one cheap watch that turned out okay to make an argument, but that argument really doesn't stand up well. I can show you many examples of Omegas that came out perfect, but that doesn't change the fact they they occasionally make one that isn't.

Unless of course you are saying that this AVI-8 company never sends out a watch without a flaw, and if you are some evidence of that would be helpful.

Cheers, Al
 
Posts
56
Likes
10
Also it’s like that when the hour hand hits every index (for those who may say this only happens at 12AM, etc.)