Seamaster vs Submariner - opinions

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You got all this wrong! If as you say ceramic fades, so omega should be more than concerned! They make ceramic cases... The whole case. Not just the bezel. So the whole case fades? As you said, omega, and Rolex know what they're doing. That's why they turned ceramic in the first place, so that they won't fade.


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Chemical treatments can fade. Natural ceramic colors (i.e. white, black, grey) don't. I don't know the process for the Rolex ceramic so I can't be certain (do they disclose any of this info, ever?) but Omega uses natural ceramics, barring the blues, reds, and greens they use on bezels.


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Chemical treatments can fade. Natural ceramic colors (i.e. white, black, grey) don't. I don't know the process for the Rolex ceramic so I can't be certain (do they disclose any of this info, ever?) but Omega uses natural ceramics, barring the blues, reds, and greens they use on bezels.


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Believe me my friend. They don't fade and Rolex patented it. They have test labs that don't exist anywhere else. And as you know to get the right to patent, they test them before they get the copyright.


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As this thread has now derailed into unsubstantiated marketing hyperbole...

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Just get a good, classic aluminum bezel that gets scratched, and fades, and looks and feels just right and leave the ceramic for the China.
 
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RubberB is great, and honestly should be offered as OEM, not the crap that Rolex put on the everose Yachtmaster. Then again, I think Rolex needs a Ti Sub as well as a Sub chrono with waterproof pushers (as in the PO chrono, not the Daytona), but they'll never do it.


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It's not Rolex's style to go wacko. Dive watches have their unidirectional bezel to be used as Chrono for a reason. Luxury can't be a 2 in 1 thing. If you want that, buy a Casio.
Diver watches, GMT, chronographs, all should have one purpose. This is luxury territory. It's like a Ferrari or a Rolls Royce; both are top end cars with one purpose each.


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It's not Rolex's style to go wacko. Dive watches have their unidirectional bezel to be used as Chrono for a reason. Luxury can't be a 2 in 1 thing. If you want that, buy a Casio.
Diver watches, GMT, chronographs, all should have one purpose. This is luxury territory. It's like a Ferrari or a Rolls Royce; both are top end cars with one purpose each.


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More like Audi.... Rolex and Omega are only luxury in price. They are at the top of mid level watch. With excellence in design and performance, but Jordan luxury. Yes they have their precious metals and bling lines but they're not luxury. Rolex tried with Cellini, but didn't quite make it to the level of Patek, Vacheron, etc etc
 
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More like Audi.... Rolex and Omega are only luxury in price. They are at the top of mid level watch. With excellence in design and performance, but Jordan luxury. Yes they have their precious metals and bling lines but they're not luxury. Rolex tried with Cellini, but didn't quite make it to the level of Patek, Vacheron, etc etc
I would agree with you except for the fact that Rolex has patented almost everything in the luxury watch industry. Heck they invented the very meaning of mechanical watches. They invented the date window, the waterproof, gmt... And the list goes on and on. You can't say that Rolex is what Rolex is today because of some naming like Audi. Audi is just another iteration of VW. They're just better built. Can we say that Omega is a Swatch but better built? Of course not. They are top notch engineering watches. Rolex is an A+ category watch. Not because they're cheaper than Pateck Philippe that it means they're worse. But they have a different aspect and view of luxury watches. Maybe you can compare Audi with Longines for instance. But to my view, even Omega is higher than Audi. You know, I compared Rolex and Omega to Ferrari and RR before. You do know that there are better than those like Pagani and Koenigsegg... But thing is, Ferrari is for cars what Rolex is for watches: they make very performant pieces in house. I'm still fan for both Rolex and omega and will never buy other brands for the only reason that they do what they do in a conventional way, their way, Rolex more. Other brands try to differentiate themselves from the classic but I don't like it. So you see? We're all friends here, I like Omega and Rolex. I got 2 Omegas that I ❤️: the limited edition 007 (2008) and the Moonwatch (2011)


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I would agree with you except for the fact that Rolex has patented almost everything in the luxury watch industry. Heck they invented the very meaning of mechanical watches. They invented the date window, the waterproof, gmt... And the list goes on and on. You can't say that Rolex is what Rolex is today because of some naming like Audi. Audi is just another iteration of VW. They're just better built. Can we say that Omega is a Swatch but better built? Of course not. They are top notch engineering watches. Rolex is an A+ category watch. Not because they're cheaper than Pateck Philippe that it means they're worse. But they have a different aspect and view of luxury watches. Maybe you can compare Audi with Longines for instance. But to my view, even Omega is higher than Audi. You know, I compared Rolex and Omega to Ferrari and RR before. You do know that there are better than those like Pagani and Koenigsegg... But thing is, Ferrari is for cars what Rolex is for watches: they make very performant pieces in house. I'm still fan for both Rolex and omega and will never buy other brands for the only reason that they do what they do in a conventional way, their way, Rolex more. Other brands try to differentiate themselves from the classic but I don't like it. So you see? We're all friends here, I like Omega and Rolex. I got 2 Omegas that I ❤️: the limited edition 007 (2008) and the Moonwatch (2011)


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It's not about liking. Rolex is by far the brand most present in my collection, and I love it. Personally I like it over Omega pound for pound, at least at the moment I acknowledge the edge omega brings technologically but to me, to almost quote you, it does seem sometimes a little too Swatch. But they do have the GM, the RM and the AT and of course the reliable work horse: the speedy. They do have some incredible vintage pieces and a solid history.

Rolex just resonates more with me at the moment. It didn't use to, but it does now. But being the first at something doesn't make it a luxury item or Ford would be above any other car brand in the planet in luxury and Tesla about last.

Anyway the brand you want to align with it in cars is irrelevant, as is whatever I like; point is what Rolex is excellent at is mid-level tool watches. Watches that are reliable , well engineered, well designed and at their core simple and almost utilitarian in their beauty and purity. With exceptions of course.

Outside of the preconceptions of many I don't see how rolex is more bling than what omega and others bring to the table. A sub, an explorer, a simple datejust or OP or DD are as simple as it gets and are less present than a Planet Ocean or a Brietling.

But Rolex made its name as a watch to wear at work....when work tales place in environments that are a little tougher than most. Hence the need for water proofing, shock absorption, anti magnetic qualities etc etc. These are workmen watches...affluent workmen. How the market has placed Rolex in perception and price is more a reflection of excellence and marketing than luxury.

At least I think so, and certainly the broader horological world sees it that way too.
 
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It's not about liking. Rolex is by far the brand most present in my collection, and I love it. Personally I like it over Omega pound for pound, at least at the moment I acknowledge the edge omega brings technologically but to me, to almost quote you, it does seem sometimes a little too Swatch. But they do have the GM, the RM and the AT and of course the reliable work horse: the speedy. They do have some incredible vintage pieces and a solid history.

Rolex just resonates more with me at the moment. It didn't use to, but it does now. But being the first at something doesn't make it a luxury item or Ford would be above any other car brand in the planet in luxury and Tesla about last.

Anyway the brand you want to align with it in cars is irrelevant, as is whatever I like; point is what Rolex is excellent at is mid-level tool watches. Watches that are reliable , well engineered, well designed and at their core simple and almost utilitarian in their beauty and purity. With exceptions of course.

Outside of the preconceptions of many I don't see how rolex is more bling than what omega and others bring to the table. A sub, an explorer, a simple datejust or OP or DD are as simple as it gets and are less present than a Planet Ocean or a Brietling.

But Rolex made its name as a watch to wear at work....when work tales place in environments that are a little tougher than most. Hence the need for water proofing, shock absorption, anti magnetic qualities etc etc. These are workmen watches...affluent workmen. How the market has placed Rolex in perception and price is more a reflection of excellence and marketing than luxury.

At least I think so, and certainly the broader horological world sees it that way too.
So what Rolexes do you own?


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1971 5512
1969 1675
Explorer 1
OP grape
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White Daytona
Blue OP explorer dial
And sold my E2

Omega I sold everything except my AT Blue. I had a PO LMLE, 8500 PO, 2500 PO XL speedy pro, smp 300 and AT. I may get the sedna FOIS, a GM and/ or a RM but not in a rush.
 
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Nice collection my friend! You've been busy! Well I have 3 Rolexes and 2 Omegas. Daytona white, exp I, gmt C Black. The Omegas you can see the pictures above. I used to have the 300M quartz blue (my first"luxury" watch back in 2001), Aquaterra 42.2mm, Speedmaster day date Michael Schumacher edition. All 3 sold


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I would still go for Submariner as its a watch I deem every worthy man should at least have 1 in their collection. My humble opinion. And its resale values doesn't hurts either
 
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I wish that was true in 2016. Moonwatch is the only one left. They're trying to do something with the Globemaster and the Seamaster 300. But they might be too late.

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Too late for what, exactly?
 
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1971 5512
1969 1675
Explorer 1
OP grape
16710
14060m
White Daytona
Blue OP explorer dial
And sold my E2

Omega I sold everything except my AT Blue. I had a PO LMLE, 8500 PO, 2500 PO XL speedy pro, smp 300 and AT. I may get the sedna FOIS, a GM and/ or a RM but not in a rush.

Still surprised you sold the PO LMLE- the way you photographed and seemed to cherish it. Hope it's that you just "got over it" and not that you had to "Sophie's choice" it.
 
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Too late for what, exactly?
Too late to continue the legend as a submariner. Trying to revive a model that was discontinued decades ago shows that a company regreted its action. The Seamaster 300 should have stayed and evolve. It deserved a second, third, and more lives than only one. It was a very beautiful piece.
They could have done with it the way they did with the Moonwatch: a timeless classic.
Please don't take my comments as insults, all I'm trying to prove here are the some wrong decisions that Omega took for the sake of marketing. If omega didn't show us the Seamaster 300 of the 50s, no one would have suspected that the new one is derived from it. Whereas a submariner can be recognized from miles away and in any era.


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Still surprised you sold the PO LMLE- the way you photographed and seemed to cherish it. Hope it's that you just "got over it" and not that you had to "Sophie's choice" it.
Lol. It was a matter of fundamental use really. I still think it's an amazing piece and every time I see it I smile. But as great as it was I just didn't use it or enjoy it on as much as others. Since then I've bought the rolex OP which is OK, the zenith 69 which I can't get over how amazing it wears and the Tudor heritage chrono bkue which is a great playfull watch.

The ONE sophie choice is the white Daytona I have for sale. I love it, my wife hates it. We're moving and between new furniture, moving costs etc etc,I'm.already over 20g in....and haven't even bought the car yet or actually left the city. So the watch is there for sale to calm my guilty conscience from the new living room.set etc
 
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Once, I dropped my Aquaterra, from 1m distance and the movement stopped working. And this was a "reliable" co-axial movement they say. You will never see this in a Rolex.
Once my uncle dropped his gold datejust and all the helium came out.
 
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Once my uncle dropped his gold datejust and all the helium came out.
Same thing happens to me when I eat beans
 
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Once my uncle dropped his gold datejust and all the helium came out.
From 1 meter? But I'm still sure the watch's movement was still intact. If you make a car accident, the bumper will go off, the important thing is that the car is still running.


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