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路I am however looking forward to the guy who chimes in to let us know that 904L should be considered a precious metal 馃榾
Seamaster vs Submariner - opinions
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Marcus09
路I was somewhat with you after your first post, but you just went off the deep end.
These are exactly the kinds of posts that give Rolex owners the horrendous reputations they often have.
I also own both Rolex and Omega.
Don't you think that it's just odd that omega puts a colorful rubber on their ceramic bezel whereas Rolex uses some kind of "magic" formula to mix 2 color ceramic as they did with the Pepsi GMT? Rolex is going all the way with quality. Omega is not. Ok I get it, they're cheaper, but come on! Rubber on a ceramic ?? So as I understand, it will come off in a few years or so? I know they can do better than that. I actually love a lot of their models like the speedy, 300, 300M. But the new red and blue on ceramic is ... Well, let's be kind, they are not classic. I like classic; classic goes on your wrist for years and then goes for generations without losing any of its soul or beauty. I want to be trendy, I'll pay $500 and get an apple watch and then I'll throw it a couple of years later. We can't say the same for Rolex and omega. They have to stick to their current models and evolve them in an elegant way. I liked what they did with the Seamaster 300 but I hope it's not too late. They should have done that since the 50s. Why they stopped doing the 300 ? Take the submariner, it's been there since the 50s and evolved little by little. And today, it is among the best known, most popular, most imitated and most counterfeit watches in the world. And all Rolexes followed its footsteps. At Omega, they only have the Moonwatch to thank. That is why it's one of the most loved watches in the world today and I am one proud owner of the Moonwatch. I hope I made myself clear, I don't dislike Omega, I want it to be better, that's all. (By the way, I also like the Globemaster - the normal one, instant classic)
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overlinjw
路I'm not a modern Rolex style fan, and I don't like the baggage they come with, but I am happy that they mostly stick to the formula with their designs. On the other hand, Omega is a shotgun of random ideas nowadays, and the seamaster is becoming hard to follow. Omega is also excessively trendy, and in an equal but different way, has become drunk off the wine of luxury. We all get that mechanical watches are a luxury and not a necessity, for diving or everyday life, but that doesn't mean we don't appreciate subdued everyday looks.
I recall going to my local AD to check out the 8500 planet ocean since it's on sale, and I mentioned that it's a little thick to fit under a cuff. The saleswoman says, "Cmon, it's an omega. Do you really want to hide it under a cuff?"
... ????????? Yes????
I definitely appreciate that Rolex keeps their designs subtle, but the brand name itself is unfortunately the loud part. Omega doesn't have as much visibility to the everyday person (this is changing), but it makes up for it by being a loud watch.
I have grown to respect and like Rolex for channeling its own style and history consistently well. I wish I could say the same for omega.
If I had to pick between modern sub and modern Seamaster, Id sell them both and buy vintage. Or at least early 2000s lol.
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I recall going to my local AD to check out the 8500 planet ocean since it's on sale, and I mentioned that it's a little thick to fit under a cuff. The saleswoman says, "Cmon, it's an omega. Do you really want to hide it under a cuff?"
... ????????? Yes????
I definitely appreciate that Rolex keeps their designs subtle, but the brand name itself is unfortunately the loud part. Omega doesn't have as much visibility to the everyday person (this is changing), but it makes up for it by being a loud watch.
I have grown to respect and like Rolex for channeling its own style and history consistently well. I wish I could say the same for omega.
If I had to pick between modern sub and modern Seamaster, Id sell them both and buy vintage. Or at least early 2000s lol.
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Foo2rama
路路Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...And ?
Don't you think that it's just odd that omega puts a colorful rubber on their ceramic bezel whereas Rolex uses some kind of "magic" formula to mix 2 color ceramic as they did with the Pepsi GMT? Rolex is going all the way with quality. Omega is not. Ok I get it, they're cheaper, but come on! Rubber on a ceramic ?? So as I understand, it will come off in a few years or so?
The other new Omega Ceramic Bezel watches released at the same time with 2 colors might argue that point with you, since they are lacking rubber. Its not a factor of technology but design mate. Either company can do it, just Rolex is more known for the Pepsi bezel as a design feature. Not to mention that almost all Ceramic bezels already have 2 colors mixed in them with the numbers and the base color.... Nothing magic there, and Omega did it first.
(not saying this is exceptionally pretty but it disproves the point)
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fflump
路Who wants a Pepsi GMT?
What's the point of great "technology" to look that tacky?
What's the point of great "technology" to look that tacky?
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ulackfocus
路I am however looking forward to the guy who chimes in to let us know that 904L should be considered a precious metal 馃榾
It is. As is 316L and all other stainless steel in Switzerland.
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Syed117
路It is. As is 316L and all other stainless steel in Switzerland.
Now that you mention it, maybe I need to put some money into 316.
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gostang9
路And ?
...I like classic; classic goes on your wrist for years and then goes for generations without losing any of its soul or beauty.
...They have to stick to their current models and evolve them in an elegant way.
...Take the submariner, it's been there since the 50s and evolved little by little. And today, it is among the best known, most popular, most imitated and most counterfeit watches in the world. And all Rolexes followed its footsteps.
I work in Automotive, and I've had similar thoughts about product offerings from the big carmakers. For me, I appreciate the OEM's that have made cars under the same model name for over half a century and they continually refine them during each subsequent design refresh. Sometimes they lose their way, but if they stick to it and continually pursue improvements with each new version, then customers can build a long-term attraction to the brand (I think of Porsche 911, Ford Mustang, Chevrolet Corvette, BMW 3 series, etc....). In following this long-term continuity, I think the company puts great pressure on their designers and manufacturing teams because they have a legacy to uphold.
Some OEM's in the last 4 decades (particularly some American OEM's...) didn't follow this pattern and rather introduced a new model with great fanfare, then scrapped the name when it floundered and created another new model. This resulted in customers having to learn new names for the same type of car. In the case of the Ford Taurus, they replaced it with the "Five Hundred" and then eventually decided to bring the old Taurus name back.
Interesting take on what caused the Moonwatch to be so popular, although I'm not sure how strong or in what direction the cause-and-effect relationship goes... did Omega keep this model continuously because it was popular or was it popular because they kept it around...
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w.finkenstaedt
路And ?
Don't you think that it's just odd that omega puts a colorful rubber on their ceramic bezel whereas Rolex uses some kind of "magic" formula to mix 2 color ceramic as they did with the Pepsi GMT? Rolex is going all the way with quality. Omega is not. Ok I get it, they're cheaper, but come on! Rubber on a ceramic ?? So as I understand, it will come off in a few years or so? I know they can do better than that. I actually love a lot of their models like the speedy, 300, 300M. But the new red and blue on ceramic is ... Well, let's be kind, they are not classic. I like classic; classic goes on your wrist for years and then goes for generations without losing any of its soul or beauty. I want to be trendy, I'll pay $500 and get an apple watch and then I'll throw it a couple of years later. We can't say the same for Rolex and omega. They have to stick to their current models and evolve them in an elegant way. I liked what they did with the Seamaster 300 but I hope it's not too late. They should have done that since the 50s. Why they stopped doing the 300 ? Take the submariner, it's been there since the 50s and evolved little by little. And today, it is among the best known, most popular, most imitated and most counterfeit watches in the world. And all Rolexes followed its footsteps. At Omega, they only have the Moonwatch to thank. That is why it's one of the most loved watches in the world today and I am one proud owner of the Moonwatch. I hope I made myself clear, I don't dislike Omega, I want it to be better, that's all. (By the way, I also like the Globemaster - the normal one, instant classic)
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Omega has made the first true biceramic. No fading, as the zirconium dioxide starts as either white or black.
Also, according to what I've read, silicon nitride (what Omega is using on the rubber models) bonds with the rubber. Do you really think Omega hasn't tested the bezels extensively?
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ulackfocus
路Um, the Constellation was crazy popular in the late 50's and 60's.
Do you really think Omega hasn't tested the bezels extensively?
Wouldn't be the first time Omega rushed a product to the stores to get a marketing story on the shelf as fast as possible (see: caliber 2500 A, B, and C).
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w.finkenstaedt
路Wouldn't be the first time Omega rushed a product to the stores to get a marketing story on the shelf as fast as possible (see: caliber 2500 A, B, and C).
Seriously, Omega hasn't really made a misstep since then. Unless I'm missing something big.
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Nobel Prize
路True, which is probably why they're doing more testing since. You'll note very few issues since then, as they've been taken to task for the last decade and a half for a brand new escapement that they fixed under warranty for many people. Which they now replace with three level coaxial escapement at service to the best of my knowledge.
Seriously, Omega hasn't really made a misstep since then. Unless I'm missing something big.
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w.finkenstaedt
路The best of our knowledge being inaccurate. They would have to switch the entire watch
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路Didn't know that. I had heard from a local watchmaker that they have the ability to change A, B, and C 2500 calibres to D functionally, if not in name. Guess he was talking out of his ass. [emoji23]
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Longbow
路I'm not really a Rolex fan; the nice (old) stuff is too expensive and the new "tool" watches are too shiny for my tastes, until I saw this, which improves the look significantly and thought of @gostang9 avatar.
http://rubberb.com/en/rolex-watch-band-products/new-explorer-ii-42mm-vulchromatic庐
http://rubberb.com/en/rolex-watch-band-products/new-explorer-ii-42mm-vulchromatic庐
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w.finkenstaedt
路I'm not really a Rolex fan; the nice (old) stuff is too expensive and the new "tool" watches are too shiny for my tastes, until I saw this, which improves the look significantly and thought of @gostang9 avatar.
http://rubberb.com/en/rolex-watch-band-products/new-explorer-ii-42mm-vulchromatic[emoji768]
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Marcus09
路The other new Omega Ceramic Bezel watches released at the same time with 2 colors might argue that point with you, since they are lacking rubber. Its not a factor of technology but design mate. Either company can do it, just Rolex is more known for the Pepsi bezel as a design feature. Not to mention that almost all Ceramic bezels already have 2 colors mixed in them with the numbers and the base color.... Nothing magic there, and Omega did it first.
(not saying this is exceptionally pretty but it disproves the point)
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Marcus09
路Um, the Constellation was crazy popular in the late 50's and 60's.
Wouldn't be the first time Omega rushed a product to the stores to get a marketing story on the shelf as fast as possible (see: caliber 2500 A, B, and C).
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路Rolex chemically treats their ceramic to get two colors. It has the potential to fade.
Omega has made the first true biceramic. No fading, as the zirconium dioxide starts as either white or black.
Also, according to what I've read, silicon nitride (what Omega is using on the rubber models) bonds with the rubber. Do you really think Omega hasn't tested the bezels extensively?
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In want a Pepsi GMT (it's my dream watch after my black GMT). If you'll have a Rolex gmt, you'll know when you want one. It's the real deal and the original gmt watch. Not a copycat.
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