Seamaster vs Submariner - opinions

Syed117 · Aug 23, 2016

Hey OP, I think you might be confusing the submariner with some other model.

It doesn't have polished links unless you're talking about a PM model.

Also, if you think this

Looks like this

We might have a bigger issue on our hands.

I have a Submariner date. Great watch and I don't see any tangible difference in quality in similarly priced Omegas other than brand power. I'm an Omega guy, but I don't think I could argue that Omega is the stronger brand.

The only thing about the submariner that I don't like is how common it is. I probably see at least 3-5 every single day. They are everywhere in new york.

2nastie · Aug 23, 2016

Short answer... get both.

Long answer.... You're building a collection and both watches are good pieces to add to the line-up. Since you are willing to consider either-or, there isn't really an O vs. R. Die-hards for each respective brand would tell you to pick one or the other. But if you like both watches why not consider the two over time. Both serve the same design and function purposes of a dive watch, but both unique in its own nature (history, etc.).

If you think it's "repetitive" to own something similar... there are a lot of people with a different version of the same watch... like my moonwatch addiction lol.

And to be frank... there aren't any modern/new Rolex that appreciates in value. The only modern/new watch selling above MSRP is the Daytona and the GMT II Batman. Subs and everything else tend to trade below what they are new (that are not vintage pieces). The new ceramic bezels on a Rolex aren't to everyone's fancy.

ulackfocus · Aug 23, 2016

@sharkhandler - did you know that they make other dial colors than black?

al128 · Aug 23, 2016

U ulackfocus
@sharkhandler - did you know that they make other dial colors than black?

But if you turn off the light the other colors revert back to black... so it's best to start with a black dial to begin with...

Nobel Prize · Aug 23, 2016

EatMan
Good to see that this thread has not devolved into a nasty O vs R discussion. 😀

Yeah I was glad too the other 200 times this subject has been addressed here. Now I'm like."..Meh!...hope someone brings it!!"

EatMan · Aug 23, 2016

Forget R vs O. True Clash of the Titans! ::psy::

🤦

sharkhandler · Aug 25, 2016

thanks everyone. I have looked at many forums, and yes as someone pointed out, I've got a Rolex itch. However, I've tried it on, it looks and feels a bit slight on my wrist - especially for nearly 6K. The PO looks great, and I'm thinking of the PO GMT, but it's 43.5 mm and ruddy chunky - I've already got two big fellas in the two speedmasters.

I've tried them all on, but in the back of my mind is the depreciation of the omega, vs the appreciation of the rolex. If you look on watchfinder, a 14 yr old rolex costs more than a new one. And with BREXIT and the drop in value of the £, montredo is no longer worth looking at.

I hadn't even thought of the Tudor. Good call.

gostang9 · Aug 25, 2016

S sharkhandler
...in the back of my mind is the depreciation of the omega, vs the appreciation of the rolex.

For me, I would first choose the watch and then use your point above to determine where to purchase the selected watch:
--> if you want the Omega (as it sounds to me you do), then consider buying something pre-owned from a few years ago. This way the slight 'depreciation' is already gone. I think if you look in the long-term, after a slight initial drop in value an Omega then retains that value fairly well.
--> if you want the Rolex (which I don't think you do), then consider buying new from an AD or Boutique. This way you get a new watch, new full warranty and you get to put every wear-mark on it yourself.

This isn't just advice I'm giving to you, I took it myself. When my wife bought my Rolex Explorer II a year ago, I had her get it new from our local AD. When I recently decided to get a Speedmaster Pro, I picked it up from a grey-market dealer (priced about midway between pre-owned and new from AD).

S sharkhandler
...If you look on watchfinder, a 14 yr old rolex costs more than a new one..

Keep in mind the past doesn't guarantee the same in the future, and this doesn't necessarily hold true for every model of Rolex. It works for some, but none of us have a crystal ball to know which models selling today will be worth more in 14 years.

If you're looking for an investment, buy some broad-market index funds and reinvest the dividends annually. In 14 years, this will almost definitely be worth much more than any watch you're looking to buy today.

If you're looking for a watch to wear and enjoy, choose the one you like and go with the best cost/value option available...

alam · Aug 25, 2016

S sharkhandler
...Also, if you think this

Looks like this

We might have a bigger issue on our hands....

+1.....you beat me to this statement! 👍

EatMan · Aug 25, 2016

gostang9
If you're looking for an investment, buy some broad-market index funds and reinvest the dividends annually. In 14 years, this will almost definitely be worth much more than any watch you're looking to buy today.

If you're looking for a watch to wear and enjoy, choose the one you like and go with the best cost/value option available...

Good advice.

Again, a modern Swiss watch, whether it be Rolex or Omega or Patek or whatever, is not an investment. it's an expense. it's called a LUXURY good for a reason. yes, has some resale value but if you are worried about future monetary value, go buy stocks or bonds or real estate or money market.

But if you insist looking at this as a financial problem, look at it this way.

1. Rolex you want = Omega you want + $extra cash currently.
2. invest that extra cash.
3. Rolex value after X years will be >,<, or = to Omega value after X years + cash cash investment value after X years, using whatever is your rate of return.

If you really want to make the most financial prudent decision, buy a submariner homage and invest your money.

you want an oversize Rolex that looks like a sub? you can get Rolex Deepsea. I believe 44mm.

also about Rolex appreciation and Omega depreciation: already said but depends on the model. plenty of cheap datejusts and brand-new datejusts sell with almost as much discount as a comparable Omega in GM.

sharkhandler · Aug 25, 2016

Syed117
Hey OP, I think you might be confusing the submariner with some other model.

no but they are really bloody similar. black dial. date at the 3 o'clock position. Divers watch. I can't see where the extra 3K is coming from?

It doesn't have polished links unless you're talking about a PM model.

Also, if you think this

Looks like this

We might have a bigger issue on our hands.

I have a Submariner date. Great watch and I don't see any tangible difference in quality in similarly priced Omegas other than brand power. I'm an Omega guy, but I don't think I could argue that Omega is the stronger brand.

The only thing about the submariner that I don't like is how common it is. I probably see at least 3-5 every single day. They are everywhere in new york.

Syed117
Hey OP, I think you might be confusing the submariner with some other model.

It doesn't have polished links unless you're talking about a PM model.

Also, if you think this

Looks like this

We might have a bigger issue on our hands.

I have a Submariner date. Great watch and I don't see any tangible difference in quality in similarly priced Omegas other than brand power. I'm an Omega guy, but I don't think I could argue that Omega is the stronger brand.

The only thing about the submariner that I don't like is how common it is. I probably see at least 3-5 every single day. They are everywhere in new york.

Marcus09 · Aug 25, 2016

Rolex all the way. Better made, better movement, better value. And by the way, the center links of the submariner are not polished

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dennisthemenace · Aug 25, 2016

M Marcus09
Rolex all the way. Better made, better movement, better value. And by the way, the center links of the submariner are not polished

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Welcome to the forum.
Stick around and give us some more of your words of wisdom.
There are too many Omega fanboys here so we need a few more like you to even things up a bit.

Foo2rama · Aug 25, 2016

M Marcus09
Rolex all the way. Better made, better movement, better value. And by the way, the center links of the submariner are not polished

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Oh really? I think all of those points can be argued either way save 1. The value though... You get a lot more watch with Omega for your dollar, the other points are within spitting distance of each other. The depreciation on both is pretty even dollar wise, although the percentage may be lower on certain Rolex.

Syed117 · Aug 25, 2016

OP, I suggest you also check out the new planet oceans.

I took a look at the 43mm steel version (which now comes in blue) a week or two ago at the Omega Boutique and I was very impressed. You really need to see any watch in person, and seeing the blue in steel was fantastic.

I don't think the Seamsaster in your original post stands up to a submariner, but the new planet oceans definitely do.

Marcus09 · Aug 25, 2016

Foo2rama
Oh really? I think all of those points can be argued either way save 1. The value though... You get a lot more watch with Omega for your dollar, the other points are within spitting distance of each other. The depreciation on both is pretty even dollar wise, although the percentage may be lower on certain Rolex.

As you wish. But I am telling you as a perspective of a person having both brands. I had 5 Omegas and 3 Rolexes. And believe me when I tell you this: they are not the same at all! Omega wants to be like Rolex but they will never be. Maybe they once were, a long time ago, but they lost their appeal. I cannot tell you what a Rolex is except when you really own and use one every day. Omegas are good watches... Like every other watches out there. Rolexes do things, different. Everyone want to be like Rokex. That's the way it is. And that's the way it will always be. They are tough as a tank. Once, I dropped my Aquaterra, from 1m distance and the movement stopped working. And this was a "reliable" co-axial movement they say. You will never see this in a Rolex. To me, the best Omega out there is the Moonwatch and I like it a lot. Also tough but still ...
Hopefully, they'll getting better models in the future.

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Marcus09 · Aug 25, 2016

dennisthemenace
Welcome to the forum.
Stick around and give us some more of your words of wisdom.
There are too many Omega fanboys here so we need a few more like you to even things up a bit.

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ulackfocus · Aug 25, 2016

Everyone wants to have Rolex's marketing department. 😁

Syed117 · Aug 25, 2016

M Marcus09
As you wish. But I am telling you as a perspective of a person having both brands. I had 5 Omegas and 3 Rolexes. And believe me when I tell you this: they are not the same at all! Omega wants to be like Rolex but they will never be. Maybe they once were, a long time ago, but they lost their appeal. I cannot tell you what a Rolex is except when you really own and use one every day. Omegas are good watches... Like every other watches out there. Rolexes do things, different. Everyone want to be like Rokex. That's the way it is. And that's the way it will always be. They are tough as a tank. Once, I dropped my Aquaterra, from 1m distance and the movement stopped working. And this was a "reliable" co-axial movement they say. You will never see this in a Rolex. To me, the best Omega out there is the Moonwatch and I like it a lot. Also tough but still ...

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I was somewhat with you after your first post, but you just went off the deep end.

These are exactly the kinds of posts that give Rolex owners the horrendous reputations they often have.

I also own both Rolex and Omega.

EatMan · Aug 25, 2016

U ulackfocus
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Alpha
Rolex vs Omega 😲

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U ulackfocus
EatMan said: ↑
Good to see that this thread has not devolved into a nasty O vs R discussion yet.

FIFY. 😉

Nobel Prize
Yeah I was glad too the other 200 times this subject has been addressed here. Now I'm like."..Meh!...hope someone brings it!!"

About to get your wish, boys!!!!! let the games begin!!🍿🍿🍿

Seamaster vs Submariner - opinions

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sharkhandler

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alam

EatMan

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Foo2rama

Syed117

Marcus09

Marcus09

ulackfocus

Syed117

EatMan

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