Seamaster Big Triangle No Date Question

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gemini4

·Oct 8, 2015·Hoarder Of Speed et alia

In a recent writeup of the Seamaster 165.024 and 166.024 Big Triangle, Christie's Watch Shop says only military issue no date big triangle Seamaster are correct:

"Unlike civilian ‘Big Triangles’, these watches (military) were a non-date caliber with special engravings on the case back and fixed bars at the lugs. In today’s vintage market, authentic civilian ‘Big Triangle’ non-date SM300s do not exist."

http://www.christies.com/features/Omega-Seamaster-300-1966-Deconstructed-5897-1.aspx

Is this correct?

 

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calalum

·Oct 8, 2015

Uh, no. Lots of original and correct examples out there.

 

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JACK G

·Oct 8, 2015

An English Omega Catalogue from 1967 - pic courtesy of old-omegas.com

 

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gemini4

·Oct 8, 2015·Hoarder Of Speed et alia

The word is that these Omega catalogues are unreliable as a reference. They were preprinted well in advance of actual production. Learned this a while ago when I tried to convince the multitude that early Ed White's were correct with alpha hands. Not saying the catalogue is wrong, it just may not be right. 😀

 

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TNTwatch

·Oct 8, 2015

Gemini4

The word is that these Omega catalogues are unreliable as a reference. They were preprinted well in advance of actual production. Learned this a while ago when I tried to convince the multitude that early Ed White's were correct with alpha hands. Not saying the catalogue is wrong, it just may not be right. 😀

In your EW case, picture of a previous model was used. Did you think picture of a previous model was also used in these ads for the big triangle? Which one would it possibly be? There are just way many more original civilian big triangles than military issued ones.

 

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·Oct 8, 2015·Hoarder Of Speed et alia

TNTwatch

In your EW case, picture of a previous model was used. Did you think picture of a previous model was also used in these ads for the big triangle? Which one would it possibly be? There are just way many more original civilian big triangles than military issued ones.

So TNT, are you saying that civilian big triangle no dates are potentially correct and that the Christie's Watch Shop author is incorrect?

 

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TNTwatch

·Oct 8, 2015

Gemini4

So TNT, are you saying that civilian big triangle no dates are potentially correct and that the Christie's Watch Shop author is incorrect?

I'd say definitely, not potentially, correct.

Edited: Oct 8, 2015

 

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·Oct 8, 2015·Hoarder Of Speed et alia

Thanks. Hope Christie's does a better job providing facts for their Dec 15th Auction.

 

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TNTwatch

·Oct 8, 2015

Gemini4

Thanks. Hope Christie's does a better job providing facts for their Dec 15th Auction.

They actually have a qualifier "In today’s vintage market" which could be interpreted as none on sale at the moment.

 

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·Oct 8, 2015·Hoarder Of Speed et alia

TNTwatch

They actually have a qualifier "In today’s vintage market" which could be interpreted as none on sale at the moment.

Good point

 

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calalum

·Oct 8, 2015

And does anyone here really think that the auction house guys are the last word on anything when it comes to watches, art, wine, or whatever??? Don't believe everything that you read.

 

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gemini4

·Oct 8, 2015·Hoarder Of Speed et alia

I don't. That's why I've reached out for the help of others.

 

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Joe K.

·Oct 8, 2015·Curious about this text thingy below his avatar

I would take anything coming out of major auction house "watch department" with a grain of salt. They typically have experts who might know a lot about vintages watches in general, but rarely would they have deep expertise into specific brands (excluding perhaps brands such as Rolex and Patek, but I wouldn't know about that since I am not an expert on these.....;-). You are more likely to find the appropriate expertise on brand specific forums (such as this one). Having said that, the "big triangle" dial was sold on many civilian no date examples. Here are just a few examples I pulled off the web. I can also look at some reference material later today and post more images:

Gemini4

In a recent writeup of the Seamaster 165.024 and 166.024 Big Triangle, Christie's Watch Shop says only military issue no date big triangle Seamaster are correct:

"Unlike civilian ‘Big Triangles’, these watches (military) were a non-date caliber with special engravings on the case back and fixed bars at the lugs. In today’s vintage market, authentic civilian ‘Big Triangle’ non-date SM300s do not exist."

http://www.christies.com/features/Omega-Seamaster-300-1966-Deconstructed-5897-1.aspx

Is this correct?

 

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gemini4

·Oct 8, 2015·Hoarder Of Speed et alia

Thanks everyone for your help. I'm convinced!

 

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Audley Yung

·Oct 10, 2015

Was planning on getting one of these babies in the future, thank you for this info, I'll be bookmarking this!

 

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Baz9614

·Dec 19, 2015

I should receive this one on Monday, and I'm interested in your opinions?

 

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gemini4

·Dec 19, 2015·Hoarder Of Speed et alia

So you are the one who snared this quickly off of EBay. Well done.

 

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gemini4

·Dec 19, 2015·Hoarder Of Speed et alia

You've left out the best part. It comes with a hard to find 1506/16 bracelet.

 

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Baz9614

·Dec 19, 2015

Yes! Can't wait to see it in the flesh! Sounds like it's a complete, one owner piece. Hoping the extract supports the story, but I feel good about it

 

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gemini4

·Dec 19, 2015·Hoarder Of Speed et alia

A question I have is that I've read that the Big Triangle dial was not issued until 1967.