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Hi to all... new on the forum and not that much knowledgeable on Omegas.

I have come across this one, but raises red flags all over. Haven't seen the inside yet, but just from the outside is suspicious.

Before posting on the FAKE thread, would like to have your thoughts.

Thanks.

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Not fake, just horribly messed about with a repainted dial and some weird case finishes. Looks to be a 2848 model.
 
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There's a recess at the side of the caseback to accomodate the crown. Whoever installed it obviously didn't notice that as it is, the crown will be harder to access and somewhere between the lugs it'll look like there's a part of the caseback missing. 馃う

Generally, sunburst dials and 50s Omegas are a combination that should trigger a healty scepticism.
 
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This is definetely a redial and should be a 49* caliber if I'm not mistaken, so you have to post the movement pic.
 
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There's a recess at the side of the caseback to accomodate the crown. Whoever installed it obviously didn't notice that as it is, the crown will be harder to access and somewhere between the lugs it'll look like there's a part of the caseback missing. 馃う
I am not sure this is true for a 2846 or 2848. None of mine has a notch in the press on back, they can be oriented any way you like.
 
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I am not sure this is true for a 2846 or 2848. None of mine has a notch in the press on back, they can be oriented any way you like.

You're right, checked mine, too and must have confused the ref - I stand corrected!
 
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Updates...

Not the best pictures, but enough to check... mov 491 (20 jewels? most of the ones I've seen are 19)

Numbers on the caseback seems to have been restamped... 2849-2

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It may have had a replacement 2849 caseback, that is actually the calendar model, or maybe you are reading it wrong. Or maybe the guts of a 2848 were put into a 2849 case but there is nothing fake there, the 20J 491 is correct for a later 2848. They only had 19J for a short time 1955-56 or so. I can't make the serial out but it should be circa 15-16m.

Franken maybe, but not fake.
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As mentioned there are definitely a few issues, but overall it is "real". BUT, I believe the bracelet is not. I hope somebody else can chime in, but those look like solid center links on the BOR (rather than folded) and generic unmarked endlinks....this looks very much like my fake BOR bracelets I accidentally bought from China.
 
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It may have had a replacement 2849 caseback, that is actually the calendar model, or maybe you are reading it wrong. Or maybe the guts of a 2848 were put into a 2849 case but there is nothing fake there, the 20J 491 is correct for a later 2848. They only had 19J for a short time 1955-56 or so. I can't make the serial out but it should be circa 15-16m.

Franken maybe, but not fake.

Thanks for the heads up, I'm waiting confirmation on the serial number, but confirmed it's definitely 2849-2 on the caseback.

Given the Redial, mismatch stuff, fake bracelet, what's your thoughts on value?
 
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As mentioned there are definitely a few issues, but overall it is "real". BUT, I believe the bracelet is not. I hope somebody else can chime in, but those look like solid center links on the BOR (rather than folded) and generic unmarked endlinks....this looks very much like my fake BOR bracelets I accidentally bought from China.

Yes, correct, bracelet not real, chinese replica for sure, and my initial concern was this watch to be a "real/fake/franken" chinese assembly.

Would it be reasonable to buy it around $200,00?
 
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Do yourself and everybody else a favour and be very careful labelling something a Fake without the full information. Look what happened to the term " Fake News ", created by a disgraced Preso...... Everything, somebody does not like or understand, is labelled fake and that word has reached it's shelf life .... kind regards. Achim
 
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T100S T100S
Yes, correct, bracelet not real, chinese replica for sure, and my initial concern was this watch to be a "real/fake/franken" chinese assembly.

Would it be reasonable to buy it around $200,00?
For two hundred US dollars and with that bracelet I would like to buy as many pieces as I can so that I can rotate them in the whole week
Btw in below pic I borrowed on Net the wooden piece looks very familiar to that on your photo.

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Is your seller from Asia for this specific sub second Seamaster?
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Do yourself and everybody else a favour and be very careful labelling something a Fake without the full information. Look what happened to the term " Fake News ", created by a disgraced Preso...... Everything, somebody does not like or understand, is labelled fake and that word has reached it's shelf life .... kind regards. Achim
Thanks for your input.

However, british dictionary defines FAKE as something "not genuine, imitation or counterfeit".

Evidence turns this watch not to be genuine... might be made of some genuine parts, and even counterfeited ones such as the bracelet, so the whole thing is not genuine, imho it is FAKE.
 
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For two hundred US dollars and with that bracelet I would like to buy as many pieces as I can so that I can rotate them in the whole week
Btw in below pic I borrowed on Net the wooden piece looks very familiar to that on your photo.

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Is your seller from Asia for this specific sub second Seamaster?
Thanks for your advice.

The seller is from my country, albeit 500km away from my location, reason why I can rely only on the fotos and info I've requested, which I'm pasting here. Waiting for the serial number now.
 
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Just don't buy the watch and move on, enough watches available for sale 馃槈
 
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And yet you still want to buy it? As I have patiently explained several times already this piece is not fake, though it certainly isn鈥檛 in the same condition as when it left the factory and as a result holds about zero interest for a collector. I am beginning to suspect your motives here.
 
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And yet you still want to buy it? As I have patiently explained several times already this piece is not fake, though it certainly isn鈥檛 in the same condition as when it left the factory and as a result holds about zero interest for a collector. I am beginning to suspect your motives here.
Thanks for your reply.

And what my motives could be here, then?

Isn't this supposed to be a forum where people could share information on something and help each other to be more educated on a subject?

So I already understood that from a forum perspective it is not fake on the true meaning of the word, but instead a "franken watch". Got it.

But, not being a collector, does it means one should not buy if the price is good, at least for parts?
 
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Op, sorry if I鈥檓 not right but I also have some doubts about your motives, something curious is going on here. I recognise the watch on your profile photo and the watch that you are asking for and both are for sale on the same website (I can publish links if needed).

So three options here :
- you bought the watch on your profile picture recently : everything fine and I鈥檓 just being paranoid (but this would be surprising as the watch is still for sale).
- you are selling the watch on your profile photo : very odd as the person that I contacted presented herself as a 芦 lady 禄 who doesn鈥檛 know nothing about watches which apparently you are not
- you are selling both watches (the one on your profile picture and the 芦 franken 禄 one) using two different profiles and pretending to be a woman unfamiliar with watches and not wanting to provide mechanism and caseback photos to buyers that are asking you.

Could you explain? I鈥檓 curious to know.
 
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Hmmmm, if they are selling as a man and as a woman does that actually mean you are bi-curious? 馃榿

Very good detective work, BTW. 馃嵖
 
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