- Posts
- 331
- Likes
- 195
RIP calibre 1861?
- Posts
- 2,006
- Likes
- 7,160
Tubber
·It would make Dave Scotts Bulova a Moonwatch.
- Posts
- 2,006
- Likes
- 7,160
Tubber
·Omega called the X-33 the Mars watch when it was introduced.
- Posts
- 1,396
- Likes
- 2,706
Martin_J_N
·If the only true 'Moonwatch' are the watches that actually made it to the surface then everything else is just promotional blurb, isn't it? Maybe the new 321 Speedmaster will have a certificate stating that the watch has been 'Certified by Nasa as being a replica of the watches that were actually worn on the lunar surface'. 😀
- Posts
- 331
- Likes
- 195
stuart70
·If the only true 'Moonwatch' are the watches that actually made it to the surface then everything else is just promotional blurb, isn't it? Maybe the new 321 Speedmaster will have a certificate stating that the watch has been 'Certified by Nasa as being a replica of the watches that were actually worn on the lunar surface'. 😀
- Posts
- 259
- Likes
- 632
GadgetGuy88
·It makes sense to me that NASA would recertify a new Speedmaster since it's the watch that would be worn during spacewalks. The X-33s are only worn inside spacecraft since they can't withstand the temperature extremes of outer space.
- Posts
- 288
- Likes
- 210
Gruesome
·Omega is about a factor two behind Rolex in dollars per watch sold (~$3.5k/watch retail vs ~$8k), if I remember correctly. (Can't find the link where I read this first, but this New York Times article has similar numbers: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/15/fashion/watches-rolex-patek-philippe-omega.html .)
So doubling the average price seems like a reasonable strategy to catch up.
So doubling the average price seems like a reasonable strategy to catch up.
- Posts
- 22
- Likes
- 15
mmaggi
·Omega is about a factor two behind Rolex in dollars per watch sold (~$3.5k/watch retail vs ~$8k), if I remember correctly. (Can't find the link where I read this first, but this New York Times article has similar numbers: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/15/fashion/watches-rolex-patek-philippe-omega.html .)
So doubling the average price seems like a reasonable strategy to catch up.
It's my humble opinion that Omega's watches are on par with Rolex. Omega's Co-Axial movements are every bit as good if not better than anything Rolex manufactures. So for now I'll be happy that Omegas sell for far less than Rolexes. 😀
That said I have to get my hands on an 1861 Speedy.
- Posts
- 259
- Likes
- 632
GadgetGuy88
·Was just at an OB and my SA said that the 1861 is definitely discontinued, meaning no more in production. -Others hear this?
- Posts
- 200
- Likes
- 291
Radiozoop
·Tend to agree. In U.K. I would expect retail to be about £5,500. For me the 3861 will not be a true speed master, just a marketing exercise by the Swatch Group. I will stick to the 861,1861. I think that Archer did a comparison between the 3861 and the 1861. The 3861 is a completely new movement. Where as the 1861 is a development of the 861. Thus the new watch may be a ‘speedmaster’ but not a ‘moonwatch’
Isn't the 1861 just a rhodium plated 861 without the Delrin brake?
To a pedant is anything other than a Cal.321 a "Moonwatch"?
I think the 321 is a true "Moonwatch" but an 861/1861 Speedmaster is still the only watch qualified for EVA by NASA, so that still makes it a special watch.
- Posts
- 6,832
- Likes
- 13,797
Nobel Prize
·The transition into a new movement is unavoidable. It's the nature of progress. The 861 will remain a valuable "heritage" movement and those that carry it on their wrists will be even more proud to do so.
To stall progress for the sake of a few (because we are not that many) old chaps an our nostalgic tendencies makes no sense.
To stall progress for the sake of a few (because we are not that many) old chaps an our nostalgic tendencies makes no sense.
- Posts
- 133
- Likes
- 87
GoBlueJedi
·Wasn't the Swatch Group going to have trade events next month, which I understand have been cancelled due to the coronavirus? That would be the time to announce the new 3861 Speedmaster, along with the long awaited Apollo 13.
They said they would do regional events later this year, but who knows what that will mean for product releases.
- Posts
- 346
- Likes
- 1,040
whyboddau
·I think we may need to start calling the 3861 a pre-Mars...at least that would likely be where the marketing will be heading
- Posts
- 2,006
- Likes
- 7,160
- Posts
- 2,006
- Likes
- 7,160
Tubber
·The transition into a new movement is unavoidable. It's the nature of progress. The 861 will remain a valuable "heritage" movement and those that carry it on their wrists will be even more proud to do so.
To stall progress for the sake of a few (because we are not that many) old chaps an our nostalgic tendencies makes no sense.
- Posts
- 331
- Likes
- 195
- Posts
- 18,202
- Likes
- 27,530
Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...Its pretty much confirmed that the 861 will be replaced with the 3861 in the next year or so.
- Posts
- 70
- Likes
- 59
MauricioNO
·Its pretty much confirmed that the 861 will be replaced with the 3861 in the next year or so.
Having said that, I can only hope the price doesn't go up like crazy 😜
- Posts
- 18,202
- Likes
- 27,530
Foo2rama
··Nowhere near as grumpy as he used to be...I am really looking forward to that. Nothing against the legendary movement, is just that I really like the speedmaster by itself, regardless of the movement it is carrying, and I'd really like a more robust movement, one that I wouldn't have to worry about wearing next to a big speaker and have it magnetized.
Having said that, I can only hope the price doesn't go up like crazy 😜
my understanding is that anti mag will not change much... also it’s a robust movement that was made for 50 years. It’s more robust then a 321 and no one complains about how bad those 50 year old movements are or how much of an issue magnetism is for them.
- Posts
- 29,672
- Likes
- 76,831
Archer
··Omega Qualified Watchmakermy understanding is that anti mag will not change much... also it’s a robust movement that was made for 50 years. It’s more robust then a 321 and no one complains about how bad those 50 year old movements are or how much of an issue magnetism is for them.
The 3861 is a 15,000 gauss rated movement...
Similar threads
- Posts
- 13
- Views
- 1K
- Posts
- 14
- Views
- 4K
- Posts
- 0
- Views
- 101
- Posts
- 21
- Views
- 2K
- Posts
- 8
- Views
- 1K
