Q: is this patina or damage

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As the title suggests is this accepted patina or unwelcome damage?
With my growing understanding of vintage Omegas my first concern is how stable is the surface and if not could it affect the movement?
TIA
Russ
 
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So is patina. If you like the way the dial has degraded over time, you call it patina - but others might call it damage. Typically, patina by itself does not affect the movement - but it can be a sign that moisture got inside, and it means you should carefully inspect the movement and case for damage/rust/etc. Patina is not necessarily stable either and can continue to get worse over time.

If you're a new collector of vintage watches, the mantra is "condition, condition, condition..." Then, as you develop an eye for vintage, you can discern between damage and patina, which is Father Time's way of making that timekeeper unique.
 
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Despite the damage the sky of stars is not so bad and can be called patina but is up to you

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Technically, patina is when a material changes appearance due to exposure to air. Bronze and brass patinas, lacquer patinas, tritium patinas, even steel patinas (though it's commonly called rust). To me, at a glance, the dial is suffering from paint loss, which is not patina but damage. But no matter what you call it, you're the one who's going to be wearing it, so YOU have to decide whether you like it or not.
 
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I agree and initially saw it as a nice effect. Then my doubts surfaced as to if it was halted or could it degrade further.
Apparently the watch has had a full service, this is the movement.
Russ
 
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The view on patina is very subjective, me personally I'm not much of a fan unless it is even or brings a new dimension to the watch, in the case of the original post I'm thinking damage, but hey, that's just my humble opinion👍
 
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The view on patina is very subjective, me personally I'm not much of a fan unless it is even or brings a new dimension to the watch, in the case of the original post I'm thinking damage, but hey, that's just my humble opinion👍
Yeah - me too. I’d certainly have it replaced or repaired but then I have VLPT (very limited patina tolerance).
 
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Beach Sand Dial LE!
i actually kinda like it, but not enough to pay a premium.
 
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The only question that matters is whether you find it appealing. We can't help you there. However, the condition of that particular dial severely hurts the value IMO.
 
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Beach Sand Dial LE!
i actually kinda like it, but not enough to pay a premium.


Just to clarify, unlike in some other marques, damaged dials do not carry a premium for Omega watches generally and especially not on a Constellation.

there are some who like watches with patinated dials and that is their prerogative but they shouldn’t / don’t pay a premium for them.

edit: brown dialled Speedies being the exception that proves the rule.
 
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Thanks Guys good advice
The guy selling it seems very upfront and more importantly UK based. For me that’s worth extra. My gut feel is it detracts from the overall look of the watch. Especially when viewed in person I suspect
Russ
Beach version - lol!
 
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Yeah - me too. I’d certainly have it replaced or repaired but then I have VLPT (very limited patina tolerance).
VLPT, love it, I may also have the same condition
 
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An unattractive, damaged dial is all I see, I wouldn't strap that watch on. But everybody's idea of acceptability is different.
 
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I would only add that in my opinion certain kinds/styles of watches look better with patina/damage on the dial. A dress watch like this, I think, looks MUCH better with a perfect or near perfect dial, while on a sport watch, degradation of the dial might be acceptable...even desirable. Of course the obvious example is a brown dial on a Speedmaster.