Omega Speedmaster 145.022 69ST

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Hi there, first post. I like to buy non-running or otherwise damaged watches and restore them. An associate wants to buy a Speedmaster I recently picked up and I really don't have a number for him. I can normally find plenty of comps from auctions and other retailers but this being an older more obscure model I sort of drew a blank.

The watch is a 145.022 and appears to be all original as far as I can tell, aside from the crystal. I have purchased a 063PW5139 crystal as well as some replacement springs for the stretch links in the 1039 bracelet as there's a few broken. Hands have intact lume, although its turned black. The watch is currently running but definitely needs a service. Crown is stiff, pushers are completely stuck in the outward position.

Would appreciate any and all information anyone has, as well as a ballpark dollar amount as it sits currently as well as a number after servicing.

 
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Also, apologies for the photo quality as I just sort of snapped them on my workbench. The case has wear but doesn't appear to have ever been polished. I can take some better pictures in my lightbox tomorrow if needed. Thanks!
 
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nice watch. no need to get a crystal, polishing this one would make it look perfect. i would say $5k for the watch and bracelet.
 
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Please share more pics of the dial. It appears to be slightly brown, which could - if attractive - push the value up. Well above the 5k mentioned above. At that price I’d buy a 145.022-69 with DON and flat link in a heartbeat. Even without the brown dial.

Note; brown dials are common in serial range 2911 and 2960, but also appear less commonly in the 2963 range this watch is part of.
 
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Is the dial turning brown?

Your pictures aren’t the best but if the dial is brown/tropical, the case etc is good, and including the 1039/516 you could easily be at $10k and above
 
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even if the dial is not brown:

5000 is to cheap

for reason of the DON bezel and the 1039/516

and this is easy to argue/to understand

what/is shoult be the price for a "standard -69" than?
 
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Is anyone else having a technical problem with this thread?? Every time I try to enlarge the pictures it reloads and won’t let me?? Even when I try to scroll down the thread it reloads and says “something has happened with this thread “.

Really nice watch BTW! 😎
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Yes - I was trying to view the images and it’s doing the same for me.
 
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I agree that it's worth more than $5k, but I'm not seeing a brown dial. The dark hands and non-functional condition will hold back the price a bit.
 
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otherwise the "dark hands" this is the typical way the lume in the hands aged
the -69

and the lume from indices is very nice (better pictures would help)


but i know:

give the people what they want

so a lot of vintage watch dealers would change the lume, that it will
match with the indices

a lot of offered and sold watches this is the way it happens

you can use darklight and will not find out - this is reality with tritium and radium
 
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I think it could be a brown dial. Maybe the scratched crystal is obscuring the view. The OP’s watch serial # is close to mine. Here’s a picture of mine before service.

They look very similar.
 
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This is almost definitely a brown dial 69 (the 2963 serial range supports this as well). Movement shows no obvious (superficial) signs of water damage - never know what lies deeper. DON looks very nice. Lume plots looks nice. I’d take a dark hands 69 over a matchy-matchy handset…69s are know to have handsets that age to darker color than the hour indices, so for me, that’s usually a sign of originality. Can’t really offer much on the case condition based on the photos - but most of these vintage watches have been polished especially if a watchmaker has had their hands on them (which this one has). Check against (many) other photos on here to make sure this one’s case lines are preserved, brushing is in tact and there is sharp definition between the polished and brushed areas. You really need to check the condition of the dial for any damage (hand drag, scratches, lume plots fully in tact, oil marks etc). Can’t tell anything from the photos in this regard.


If the dial checks out, I’d pay $10k USD for this watch given I would have to perform a service and to accountant for some parts that may be required. Nice brown dials, for some (not all) Speedmaster collectors are quite desirable.

Edit: one other point - I love brown dials. To a collector/buyer who doesn’t value them as I do, they would be well below $10k. Has to be the right buyer. And has to be a very nice brown dial to get up to that number
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good summary to the watch and the important details

at least: 3 70 in the clasp 90% assured that the bracelet was delivered with this watch
 
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Is anyone else a little worried about the bezel?
I don’t recall seeing any bezel that the DOT touches or overlaps the number? Unless it’s just the bad pictures.

Sorry, I didn’t crop the picture! 🙁
 
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I took some pictures that are hopefully a little better today. I took some in the lightbox and some outside in daylight, although its pretty overcast today. I can't see any marks or defects on the dial other than a brown spot in between the 32 and 33 minute markers, no clue what it is.

Also, for anyone that was having trouble getting pictures to show up heres link to an album:
 
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I apologize but is there any one here that can help with the technical difficulties on this
thread? I cannot scroll down or enlarge any pictures without it reloading ??

Any technical mods that can help?!
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It does look a little brownish. This sort of muddy color doesn't lead to a big premium, IMO, but it's brown. The dial defect is unfortunate. It's pretty noticeable. I had a similar 145.022-69 with the same type of brown color and a blemish like that, and it wasn't easy to sell, TBH. I had to put it on eBay, IIRC. If @pitbos is really willing to give you $10k for it, you should grab it, IMO.


Is anyone else a little worried about the bezel?
I don’t recall seeing any bezel that the DOT touches or overlaps the number? Unless it’s just the bad pictures.
I think it's one of the really blurry bezels. Legit, but not nice and sharp.
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It does look a little brownish. This sort of muddy color doesn't lead to a big premium, IMO, but it's brown. The dial defect is unfortunate. It's pretty noticeable. I had a similar 145.022-69 with the same type of brown color and a blemish like that, and it wasn't easy to sell, TBH. I had to put it on eBay, IIRC. If @pitbos is really willing to give you $10k for it, you should grab it, IMO.



I think it's one of the really blurry bezels. Legit, but not nice and sharp.

The blur is mostly happening from my camera I think, looks like its blurring the edge of the image for whatever reason. The dot does look like pretty close to the 7 though.

Really need to clean it, it looks a little nicer than pictures show since all the little specks of dirt turn white.

 
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It does look a little brownish. This sort of muddy color doesn't lead to a big premium, IMO, but it's brown. The dial defect is unfortunate. It's pretty noticeable. I had a similar 145.022-69 with the same type of brown color and a blemish like that, and it wasn't easy to sell, TBH. I had to put it on eBay, IIRC. If @pitbos is really willing to give you $10k for it, you should grab it, IMO.



I think it's one of the really blurry bezels. Legit, but not nice and sharp.
What’s the dial defect?

I agree that it’s difficult to judge this dial with these photos, but from what I can tell, it’s worth exploring more. I guess that’s what makes these brown dials so interesting…no two are the same, and their beauty is very subjective.
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